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slimes
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Secret papers reveal Post Office knew its court defence was false
A draft report seen by the BBC confirms the Post Office knew of IT vulnerabilities before Bates v Post Office case.
www.bbc.co.uk
£100 million of public monet spent and the post office knew since 2017 that they were in the wrong.. scum.. what is wrong with these wrong uns?
yet still we're waiting for justice for the wrongly convicted post masters.. sickening..
mile oak
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- May 21, 2023
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Somewhat off at a tangent but I find the PO scandalous. Briefly person I know has a range of NHS appointments and most know that the POS is utterly unreliable useless and use email, phone, text to inform appointments, unfortunately not all NHS hospital departments do and when you get letters sent 3 weeks ago (admittedly this is somewhat worse than usual but 2 weeks isn't uncommon I'm told) arrive the day before a bank holiday (contact number now shut and re-opens at the time of the appointment immediately after Easter) it isnt helpful to plan, re-arrange etc. Im now reminded of typical notices up in waiting areas "This month weve had [number] of patents not attend appointments [which causes blah blah]" - I wonder how many people may not even get their appointment in time to attend!
My other point re post office delivery (and Ive personally had this and im sick of it - does anyone know if you can choose to avoid the PO on Amazon for instance?) is that Amazon sometimes use this lot and you have far less control over the delivery for instance where to leave it if not in etc. apart from the fact the delivery service is dreadful. Even when in the last delivery I watched on the cctv (i was in a meeting at the time so couldnt get to the front door and too far away anyway in time Postman Pat allow you to answer the door, NOT that Pat uses the bell or knocks. The cctv is somewhat hidden (reminder to self to cut back ivy) and it was only an alarm triggering movement that alerted me. He literally arrived and few seconds later left what does the idiot think Im doing waiting literally by the door? Its not even a timed delivery! Even the taxi driver for timed pick up waits FFS.
Its about time we shut down the post office completely i find them utterly useless in all forms, delivery, counters queues ridiculous never have what you want and they are squashed into wh smiths these days and the parcel pick up time has reduced to stupid times to the point i dont bother collecting now i just get my money back (albeit i have to wait) and re-order and if its non post office deliver thats ok, if i discover its post office again i tend to cancel and re-order again until its a non-post office delivery (obviously same product different site).
So my questions are:
1. Does anyone know if you can avoid PO delivery by Amazon. I don't care if it costs me more that's not an issue.
2. Anyone here work for NHS and also aware how unreliably useless the PO delivery is and does your department/section/area/Hospital/Health centre etc. use other means like ive mentioned to avoid the postal delivery?
3. What are others thoughts on scrapping the entre PO and make it completely privatised and commissioned for as its not working as it is. I cannot tell you how many times in Mile Oak and LA I have to swop letters with neighbours. We had a laugh the other day about swopping junk! Ive had post dropped on the driveway had to pick it up in the road and the number of elastic bands dropped in the road are obviously from them. No way have we created some mad loom banding craze locally.
My other point re post office delivery (and Ive personally had this and im sick of it - does anyone know if you can choose to avoid the PO on Amazon for instance?) is that Amazon sometimes use this lot and you have far less control over the delivery for instance where to leave it if not in etc. apart from the fact the delivery service is dreadful. Even when in the last delivery I watched on the cctv (i was in a meeting at the time so couldnt get to the front door and too far away anyway in time Postman Pat allow you to answer the door, NOT that Pat uses the bell or knocks. The cctv is somewhat hidden (reminder to self to cut back ivy) and it was only an alarm triggering movement that alerted me. He literally arrived and few seconds later left what does the idiot think Im doing waiting literally by the door? Its not even a timed delivery! Even the taxi driver for timed pick up waits FFS.
Its about time we shut down the post office completely i find them utterly useless in all forms, delivery, counters queues ridiculous never have what you want and they are squashed into wh smiths these days and the parcel pick up time has reduced to stupid times to the point i dont bother collecting now i just get my money back (albeit i have to wait) and re-order and if its non post office deliver thats ok, if i discover its post office again i tend to cancel and re-order again until its a non-post office delivery (obviously same product different site).
So my questions are:
1. Does anyone know if you can avoid PO delivery by Amazon. I don't care if it costs me more that's not an issue.
2. Anyone here work for NHS and also aware how unreliably useless the PO delivery is and does your department/section/area/Hospital/Health centre etc. use other means like ive mentioned to avoid the postal delivery?
3. What are others thoughts on scrapping the entre PO and make it completely privatised and commissioned for as its not working as it is. I cannot tell you how many times in Mile Oak and LA I have to swop letters with neighbours. We had a laugh the other day about swopping junk! Ive had post dropped on the driveway had to pick it up in the road and the number of elastic bands dropped in the road are obviously from them. No way have we created some mad loom banding craze locally.
Worried Man Blues
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I hope we move a darn sight quicker in jailing some of these odious office bods than it took to compensate the Sub - Postmasters
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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I’d have thought it likely that some where in board and committee papers and minutes the enquiry would find evidence of exactly what PO management knew about Horizon deficiencies. It’s possible too that meetings were recorded. I assume the enquiry can demand sight of all that evidence and internal emails?Secret papers reveal Post Office knew its court defence was false
A draft report seen by the BBC confirms the Post Office knew of IT vulnerabilities before Bates v Post Office case.www.bbc.co.uk
£100 million of public monet spent and the post office knew since 2017 that they were in the wrong.. scum.. what is wrong with these wrong uns?
yet still we're waiting for justice for the wrongly convicted post masters.. sickening..
I think you're getting the Post Office mixed up with Royal Mail. I'm pretty sure the Post Office don't deliver mail themselves.
OPs had a shocker with that novel
It still feels like the Government says one thing in public about speeding the compensation process up to try and avoid more poor PR but does something else in private. It is unbelievable how the PO can be involved in the compensation process given its proven dishonesty. At least (hopefully) any criminal cases against PO managers, their lawyers (?) and investigators for possible perjury will be left to the police and CPS. Can only be a matter of time now given the information that is coming out now that was seemingly deliberately hidden.
Lenny Rider
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- Sep 15, 2010
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I wonder what the Albion’s ‘Witchfinder General’ Adrian Morris makes of this latest revelation?
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An article has been posted on The Times online and there’s a reference to BHAFC on Twitter.
slimes
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Sadly the times is on a pay wall.. all I read is the postmaster took his on life and the family are still waiting for compensation after 20 years. Sickening. 
Put the link up anyway. Some of us can access it (in most cases) - and there have been many posts on NSC telling you how. Post a link of what you're looking at for the rest of us, eh? - even if you can't look at it.Sadly the times is on a pay wall.. all I read is the postmaster took his on life and the family are still waiting for compensation after 20 years. Sickening.
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Widow of postmaster who took own life is denied Post Office compensation
Previously unreported death is fifth to be linked to the Horizon IT scandal
www.thetimes.co.uk
Not good that The Albion is now employing one of the persecutors - sorry, investigators - of innocent post masters as head of security.Widow of postmaster who took own life is denied Post Office compensation
Previously unreported death is fifth to be linked to the Horizon IT scandal
"Jayakanthan’s (who committed suidide as a result of the Post Office 'investigations') widow claimed the investigation was led by Adrian Morris, who was an investigations manager for the Post Office between 1990 and 2011. Morris, who is now head of security at Brighton and Hove Albion football club.
Jayakanthan, 35, owned three convenience stores in southwest London before joining the Post Office and was a successful businessman, earning enough to put his eldest son through private school.
His branch in Putney came under investigation after the Post Office alleged that £179,000 went missing from the cash machine and the safe.
According to the account given to the MPs’ business committee by his widow, two Post Office investigators raided the store, took files and locked the couple out hours before he took his own life on March 4, 2005.
His wife, who had been at a family birthday party with their two young children, returned home to find his body in the attic of their home in New Malden."
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That is not a great read at all.
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Indeed.
It’s the biggest miscarriage in our legal history. Innocent people committed suicide, were sent to prison, were bankrupted, had money effectively stolen from them by the PO.
BHAFC employee linked to the biggest miscarriage in legal history.
Media team really need to polish the hell out of that turd to make it shine.
Lenny Rider
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- Sep 15, 2010
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Hopefully he will do the decent thing 
And by that I mean help with the investigation, effectively turn informer, and expose what went on from the Post Offices perspective.
Sadly it won’t bring back the people who were forced into taking their own lives, but it will help get the victims/survivors of this scandal some kind of justice, and perhaps give Mr Morris some kind of redemption.
And by that I mean help with the investigation, effectively turn informer, and expose what went on from the Post Offices perspective.
Sadly it won’t bring back the people who were forced into taking their own lives, but it will help get the victims/survivors of this scandal some kind of justice, and perhaps give Mr Morris some kind of redemption.
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jonny.rainbow
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- Oct 29, 2005
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Seema Misra, who was investigated by Adrian Morris and latterly convicted of false accounting and went to prison for 4 months after he gave evidence against her, is on 5 live now.
Post Office investigator landed Premier League club job after Horizon scandal
Former investigator Adrian Morris joined Brighton and Hove Albion the year after giving evidence at the trial of wrongfully convicted sub-postmistress Seema Misra
www.mirror.co.uk
I'm slightly concerned that we haven't "let him go". For a club that is rightfully concerned about its reputation and "doing the right thing", I think there are very few that would say that by employing this fella they are doing the "right thing".
Oh wait! At the end of the article he said he was "sorry". And as we know, that makes everything ok. As you were.