TomandJerry
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- Oct 1, 2013
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Thats the thing, I don't think it will help, if they wanted more ethnic people, they would have just recruited them more
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Positive Discrimination
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Thats the thing, I don't think it will help, if they wanted more ethnic people, they would have just recruited them more
- Jul 7, 2003
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They don't specify the grounds, they just insist that all applicants must live here. Police officers have to apply for permission to reside anywhere anyway. If I wanted to move to, say, Lancing, I'd have to clear it with my employer. If I said I wanted to move to Horley or Tunbridge Wells or Portsmouth (ha), they could theoretically refuse me permission.
I don't consider what the Met are doing to be positive discrimination anyway. It's not ruling anybody out on the basis of something they can't control. Positive discrimination would be insisting that 50% of posts must be filled by women, or people from ethnic minorities, or lesbians, or Seventh Day Adventists, or the French, to chuck in a few (admittedly frivolous in places) examples.
If somebody was that bothered, they could move to London. I realise that may not be entirely simple but someone who lives in, say, Redhill & is desperate to join the police could always apply to Surrey.
- Jul 7, 2003
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But that would be positive discrimination, which is unlawful.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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indeed, and this looks like a fudge to work around that. however, id' have thought a recruitment drive focused in certain boroughs would be a better means, after all the ethnic make up of Bromley or Sutton are hardly the same as Haringay or Tower Hamlets.
TomandJerry
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It's already been said before, "Boris Johnson considers positive discrimination in Met Police recruitment"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-considers-positive-discrimination-in-met-police-recruitment-9227568.html
- Jul 7, 2003
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He may well do, but he'd have to get a change in the law first.
I really don't see this to be any kind of issue. They're trying to encourage Londoners to apply, and if that generates interest from groups who might have previously considered it but feared they'd be overlooked in favour of what they perceive to be out-of-towners from the Home Counties, then it's to be welcomed IMHO.
Disgruntled out-of-towners, meanwhile, can apply to other forces then transfer in later in their career. The principal reason they apply to the Met in the first place is generally because they get paid several grand a year more, thanks to their London weighting (which is a laugh in itself considering an awful lot of Met officers don't live in London anyway as it's too expensive).
Worthingite
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I really don't understand what race, gender or ethnicity has to do with being a good police officer? Surely people should be taken on because of the qualities they possess as people, as opposed to the colour of their skin, their religion, or what gender they like to sleep with? I couldn't give a flying one how "diverse" the copper was that was assisting me - it's the quality of his or her help that matters.
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The Met Police have taken on a recruit who does not live in London, recently. I know that because he is now an ex-colleague.
Horsham Gull
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As someone who applied to the met earlier in the year (and didn't get offered a place) i do find this frustrating that i may not be able to reapply now in 6 months time due to the introduction of this policy
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If the met wants more darkies, and by darkies here I am using an apt term for visible representation, it should really stop beating them up for no reason or fitting them up for crimes. Its not that the met is racist, it prob is, its also full of scumbags or a lot more than other forces.
TomandJerry
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Well, by the looks of things, this might not have introduced as of yet, but they certainly have intentions of doing so
- Jul 7, 2003
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So apply to Sussex or Surrey. It's the same job. You just get paid less.
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It isnt the 'same' job at all and you know it , being a provincial copper in a sleepy town like burgess hill for instance is a world away from policing in inner london, there are also opportunities to specialise that you wouldn't get with a force like sussex.
- Jul 7, 2003
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Then again being a copper in Brighton or even Crawley is a world away from policing Hampstead so the same principle applies.
They do the same things. The Met just have a lot more of them to help out when things go tits up.
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You keep telling yourself that if it makes you happy.
- Jul 7, 2003
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Given that I'd wager I know a lot more about it than you do, from both sides, I'll be just fine, thanks.
Carry on.
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If you think that policing the WORST parts of Brighton or crawley compare with even gentrified areas of london , where deprived estates sit cheek by jowl with million pound properties then id wager you're just trying to lose your county mounty inferiority complex.
BrianWade4
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Leeds chairman trying to do the same bu insisting the squad live in or near Leeds
Dan Aitch
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Another example of the misunderstanding and the misuse of the term 'ethnic'. Your ethnicity relates to your origin, your appearance, and the nationality and culture with which you most strongly identify. Therefore someone who is born and raised in Britain may consider themselves to be of the British ethnicity. Someone who is born and raised in Australia is of an Australian ethnicity, etc.
Black people are not 'ethnic', any more than white people are 'ethnic'.
The phrase you are probably loking for is 'ethnic minority', which suggests that your ethnicity is outnumbered by a more prevalent ethnicity. A white British man amongst a group of black British men might be considered an ethnic minority within that group, but would never be referred to as an 'ethnic'. Unfortunately the term 'ethnic' has been misappropriated by many (including Sainsbury's who offer 'ethnic foods' in some of their shops - I've never found 'egg and chips' in these rows, unsurprisingly) as meaning 'ethnic minority'.
'Ethnic' does not mean black, Indian, Muslim, left-handed, short, tall or fat.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ethnicity
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As someone who spent 15 years in Sussex Police and the last 11 in the Met, I feel qualified to chip in my two pence worth.
1. Positive discrimination - When the Met advertises internal vacancies , it frequently says words along the lines of 'we encourage applicants from ethnic minorities'. I work with people of various ethnicities and even they think it's a bit bizzare.
2. Yes you do get paid more in the Met than you do in Sussex. The basic pay is the same but the allowances are higher.
3. I'm all for applying to your local force, but if they are not recruiting and you are that desperate to join the job, then you'll apply to another force.
4. Sussex has about 2500 members (Edna may correct me here). The Met has over 30,000 officers
5. The job maybe the same if you are on uniform patrol or in the CID office. Where it differs massively is that the Met has many more areas of specialism officers can apply to after their probation. Some of these roles demand very long hours and protracted periods away from home. Of course, it's the individuals choice to apply for such roles.
6. My motivation for transferring was that I applied for a specific specialism that Sussex didn't offer. If I hadn't have got the job, I probably wouldn't have transferred.
7. One of the main reasons for the Met wanting more London based officers is that it's cheaper, on call costs, using job vehicles whilst on call, fuel etc etc. If you are good at what you do, a resident of London is not going to know or care whether you live in Hackney or Horsham.
1. Positive discrimination - When the Met advertises internal vacancies , it frequently says words along the lines of 'we encourage applicants from ethnic minorities'. I work with people of various ethnicities and even they think it's a bit bizzare.
2. Yes you do get paid more in the Met than you do in Sussex. The basic pay is the same but the allowances are higher.
3. I'm all for applying to your local force, but if they are not recruiting and you are that desperate to join the job, then you'll apply to another force.
4. Sussex has about 2500 members (Edna may correct me here). The Met has over 30,000 officers
5. The job maybe the same if you are on uniform patrol or in the CID office. Where it differs massively is that the Met has many more areas of specialism officers can apply to after their probation. Some of these roles demand very long hours and protracted periods away from home. Of course, it's the individuals choice to apply for such roles.
6. My motivation for transferring was that I applied for a specific specialism that Sussex didn't offer. If I hadn't have got the job, I probably wouldn't have transferred.
7. One of the main reasons for the Met wanting more London based officers is that it's cheaper, on call costs, using job vehicles whilst on call, fuel etc etc. If you are good at what you do, a resident of London is not going to know or care whether you live in Hackney or Horsham.