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Portuguese Brickies On 1K A Week!
- Thread starter Gregory2Smith1
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Dont be daft, most jobs might have 10's, 100's or even 1000's offering the same credentials and you're proposing that Governments should not differentiate between their own citizens in their own employment markets as opposed to any other world citizen.
Its a strange outlook and totally lacking in any vision of its consequences, plus nice of you to give away your job, guess you would demand that my taxes keep you and your family housed, healthy, educated and fed, yeah nice one.
daveinprague
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People clock in and out of work? Where is this? In the 1950s ?
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No Mechanical Engineers here then. What a skill set we have lost in this country. Worked for one company in 1994 as a trainee Toolmaker. I worked with a majority of older people too, some of them have probably passed by now, but they taught me so much. Even the machines I worked on where still in imperial. I now realise how lucky I was to get this sort of training, it will never be repeated.
It's sad to see the slow decline manufacturing went through in this country and the general disrespect towards Engineering.
Now we have meetings about meetings and stupid job titles. The most productive thing we do these days is make spreadsheets look pretty.
We have lost all our skills in this country especially in Engineering.
It's sad to see the slow decline manufacturing went through in this country and the general disrespect towards Engineering.
Now we have meetings about meetings and stupid job titles. The most productive thing we do these days is make spreadsheets look pretty.
We have lost all our skills in this country especially in Engineering.
daveinprague
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Should bring back apprenticeships.
Lord Bracknell
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I've already brought one of my grandfathers into the discussion on this thread. Forgive me if I now mention the other one who, like his father before him, was a skilled engineer and toolmaker. Having myself worked in an office that was full of "Chartered" Civil Engineers, I simply recall the snobbery of many of them who really seemed to resent the way that the old school skilled toolmakers of the world called themselves "engineers", without being able to wave around the certificates that the big Institutions, like the Institution of Civil Engineers, were so precious about issuing to their members.
This attitude contributed very significantly to the devaluing of the skills that we are talking about.
melias shoes
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- Oct 14, 2010
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Apprentice bricklayers on this site.
T soprano
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I can see you lot across the road at broadridge Heath, while I'm on top of scaffold building the chimneys
melias shoes
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The industry is full of management. Big jobs are run by management firms. The big sites are top heavy with managers. H & S is a thriving business. Take away the countless chiefs who sometimes outnumber the indians, and the wages would not have been static for the last ten years
Only now has the rate gone up.
Only now has the rate gone up.
I'm not convinced of that. I reckon on lot of sites the Site Manager is actually short of hands. We waste hour after hour on site waiting for them to come and look at something so it can be signed off, or a decision can be made.
Tough job though - Site Manager - probably why half of them seem to keep going off with stress!
That is most certainly true, although MOST of it actually is common sense, and in generally it is a good thing. Some sites are mental though. BAM Construction are just about the worst.
On one of the Olympic sites, we needed to run 100m of cable (into existing tray). First, I had to wait a couple of hours to be issued a permit to work in the area (basement), then had to wait another hour for someone to be available to assist, as the area was designated as 'no solo working'. The tray was 7 feet off the ground, but work stopped after 5 minutes, when the clipboard police decided that working (two steps) up a stepladder was unsafe. We then wait half a day for HSS to deliver some tiny podium steps (0.5m platform), which then got banned from use until the site's scaffold rep had put a ScaffTag on them (even though the thing was only two steps high, and both of us were PASMA carded anyway
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That is most certainly true, although MOST of it actually is common sense, and in generally it is a good thing. Some sites are mental though. BAM Construction are just about the worst.
On one of the Olympic sites, we needed to run 100m of cable (into existing tray). First, I had to wait a couple of hours to be issued a permit to work in the area (basement), then had to wait another hour for someone to be available to assist, as the area was designated as 'no solo working'. The tray was 7 feet off the ground, but work stopped after 5 minutes, when the clipboard police decided that working (two steps) up a stepladder was unsafe. We then wait half a day for HSS to deliver some tiny podium steps (0.5m platform), which then got banned from use until the site's scaffold rep had put a ScaffTag on them (even though the thing was only two steps high, and both of us were PASMA carded anyway
I hope you wore a hi-viz jacket, safety harness and hard hat.
spring hall convert
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The xenophobia has to be expected.
It's the snobbishness in this story that appals me. Why shouldn't a bricklayer earn £1000 a week if someone wants to pay it?
What a load of utter twaddle.
It's the snobbishness in this story that appals me. Why shouldn't a bricklayer earn £1000 a week if someone wants to pay it?
What a load of utter twaddle.
Safety harness is mercifully only mandatory over 2m, even for H&S-obsessive BAM. All their sites are however, 'Boots, Goggles, Gloves' at all times. As someone above has mentioned, gloves for fiddly work are stupid, stupid, stupid. Literally double the time taken to complete some work, and even then the quality of the work suffers.
This is where some H&S rules really are counter-productive - engenders a 'H&S is stupid' mindset in people, which leads to them choosing to ignore other GOOD rules.
melias shoes
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Site I'm on at the moment management is far too many. Site managers,assistant managers,contract managers etc etc.I'm not convinced of that. I reckon on lot of sites the Site Manager is actually short of hands. We waste hour after hour on site waiting for them to come and look at something so it can be signed off, or a decision can be made.
Tough job though - Site Manager - probably why half of them seem to keep going off with stress!
That is most certainly true, although MOST of it actually is common sense, and in generally it is a good thing. Some sites are mental though. BAM Construction are just about the worst.
On one of the Olympic sites, we needed to run 100m of cable (into existing tray). First, I had to wait a couple of hours to be issued a permit to work in the area (basement), then had to wait another hour for someone to be available to assist, as the area was designated as 'no solo working'. The tray was 7 feet off the ground, but work stopped after 5 minutes, when the clipboard police decided that working (two steps) up a stepladder was unsafe. We then wait half a day for HSS to deliver some tiny podium steps (0.5m platform), which then got banned from use until the site's scaffold rep had put a ScaffTag on them (even though the thing was only two steps high, and both of us were PASMA carded anyway
With you on Health&Safety the power these people have is ridiculous. Some of the rules that they bring out are getting beyond belief. Although having said that some things are much better these days.
hitony
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I was a Bricklayer, many years ago...........time to get the trowel back out for a grand a week!!
Dandyman
In London village.
Re-read it, you are correct. Our top earners hit the money by doing out of hours and emergency work so it still seems unlikely that most craft workers are going to sustain £1k a week all year round.
T soprano
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no chancers