severnside gull
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Bolton arent in much of a different position to us in that all their debt is owed to one person. It has been overhyped
Think they are selling Ngog which will help them.
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Port Vale player ratings
- Thread starter El Presidente
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Bolton arent in much of a different position to us in that all their debt is owed to one person. It has been overhyped
Think they are selling Ngog which will help them.
Machiavelli
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Acker, you like to deal in stats and numbers, I prefer words and concepts. Both are fine. My comments were largely informed by the words used on NSC, rather than the numbers, hence my comparison with Bridge. Since you invoke numbers, don't you think it's surprising that Upson is second, and not first in terms of season average rating? The only player that comes close to him this season is Crofts and, unfortunately, we've lost him for the rest of the season. I love Ince, and it's been thrilling to watch his development, but I think your stats illustrate my point more than you think they do.
Finchley Seagull
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I think everyone appreciates what an impact Upson has had and how well he's played. The issue, as is often the case, is if a player always plays well nobody really talks about it. Upson consistency in the year he's been here has been amazing and I think everyone rates him, even if they don't rave about him.
I was thinking the same.
I don't just deal in stats and numbers, those numbers often, as the number you quoted above, come with comments. Lots of people have been very complimentary of Upson. There are plenty of people who give Upson the recognition he deserves in more ways than just numbers, you and Walt are not alone.
No, I don't find it surprising he isn't first, because he is a defender and regular goal scorers or game running midfielders are the ones who tend to catch the eye more because of their involvement in the goals that bring us joy more than the preventing of goals defensive players do that bring us relief.
There is also the element of expectation. Knowing Upson and his pedigree, good performances are expected, whereas Ince is new and so young that his performances surprise people, so he gets a bit more attention.
But being second doesn't mean you aren't getting recognition, or not getting an appropriate amount.
If your point is Upson is very good and deserves a bit more praise than he gets, I'm not disputing that. But then, The same can be said for a lot of our players, partly because they haven't done the things that catch the eye, partly because some fans have already decided a player is going to fall short. What I was disputing is the claim that you and Walt (and now, finally, El Presidente) are the only who appreciate him. You're not. He has received lots of recognition.
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Fair enough. I only made the point as you get some people moan about ratings based on them listening to a commentary. And, not being there, I have not said 3 was or was not a fair rating for Obika, just that I don't think scoring a goal absolves a player from a crap game! As you say, it is opinions. Without them there wouldn't be this forum!!!
Machiavelli
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Can I concede that you've disputed this successfully?
No, you may not. I demand a fight!
Machiavelli
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Good. I backed down a little too quickly there. You, sneakily, moved the ground of the debate away from the central point I was making. Granted, I offered you the opportunity to do this by poor wording -- which you seized on impressively -- which suggested that Walt was the only poster regularly recognising Upson's contribution.
So, anyway, back to the central point: why is there so much nostalgia for Bridge on NSC, and insufficient recognition of Upson? I think, hope, that I've got the wording right here, and also notice that it's a question where you can't pull some stats out of your hat to support some spurious counter-argument (but you've got so many stats to hand that you might defeat me on this one, too).
Oh, and it's a good draw by the way, and the three going to Cardiff does seem to open up the opportunity of us having a winger who can cross the ball effectively, and regularly effectively, whose injury record is somewhat better than our two speed twins.
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I agree. Being an STH in the south-west corner, I always enjoy watching Upson at work when we are defending that end. He is class.
Averages - 7 votes
Starters
Upson 7.71
March 7.43 (84mins)
Ince 7.00
Orlandi 6.71
Chicksen 6.57
Calderon 6.29
Agustien 6.00 (73mins)
Forster-Caskey 5.86
Dunk 5.43
Brezovan 5.29
Obika 5.14
Subs
Andrews 6.14 (23mins)
Lualua 5.86 (12mins)
Squad Average - 6.26
Starters
Upson 7.71
March 7.43 (84mins)
Ince 7.00
Orlandi 6.71
Chicksen 6.57
Calderon 6.29
Agustien 6.00 (73mins)
Forster-Caskey 5.86
Dunk 5.43
Brezovan 5.29
Obika 5.14
Subs
Andrews 6.14 (23mins)
Lualua 5.86 (12mins)
Squad Average - 6.26
Port Vale on Saturday
From a very reliable source on the Liz Costa Love Bus....
...........apparently at one of their service station stops on the way to Port Vale, herself saw fans of another team (that I'm not going to divulge) returning to their coach with - shock, horror, a few tinnies of the alcoholic beverage kind.
She dialled 999 and screamed for a policeman.
I am so proud of the way she "represents" our club as leader of the supporters club (membership approx 300). Aren't you?
Rips
PS Sorry to hijack the thread, but seemed best place to put it!
From a very reliable source on the Liz Costa Love Bus....
...........apparently at one of their service station stops on the way to Port Vale, herself saw fans of another team (that I'm not going to divulge) returning to their coach with - shock, horror, a few tinnies of the alcoholic beverage kind.
She dialled 999 and screamed for a policeman.
I am so proud of the way she "represents" our club as leader of the supporters club (membership approx 300). Aren't you?
Rips
PS Sorry to hijack the thread, but seemed best place to put it!
Shame the website whoscored.com don't offer player stats on FA cup games. I really wanted to check Forster-Caskey's for Saturday as from my vantage point he was probably our best player and I'm staggered his received a rating below 6.
He must have had a minimum of three shots on target, continually on the ball and instigating our attacks. One sublime dummy for Obika too.
There are no player stats on espnsoccernet, either. There usually is, even for FA Cup games, so that might be more to do with a lack of AP coverage than a whoscored.com fa cup policy (do they have anything for the reading game?).
But going through the Commentary text there is no shot listed for JFC, and the shots listed all add up to the total shots count. He was the one who intercepted the Keeper's clearance and played through Obika.
He stung the keepers fingers with a long range effort second half which the keeper tipped over. Last kick of the game was a far weaker effort the keeper easily collected from a direct free kick. Can't remember the 3rd effort but pretty sure there was a 3rd attempt maybe it just missed the target.