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Police to finger print on street



ditchy

a man with a sound track record as a source of qua
Jul 8, 2003
5,251
brighton
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Police to fingerprint on streets

No two fingerprints have ever been found to be identical on databases
Police across England and Wales are to begin taking fingerprints while on patrol using mobile electronic devices.
The portable gadgets - similar to a pocket PC and linked to a database of 6.5m prints - will enable officers to identify suspects within minutes.

Police say they will particularly help identify people using false identities. Bedfordshire will be the first of 10 forces to pilot the machines.

But concerns have been raised about civil liberties.

The equipment will be distributed among the forces in Essex, Hertfordshire, Lancashire, North Wales, Northamptonshire, West Midlands and West Yorkshire, as well as to British Transport Police and the Metropolitan Police, over the next two months.

Combat false identities

Police Minister Tony McNulty said: "The new technology will speed up the time it takes for police to identify individuals at the roadside, enabling them to spend more time on the frontline and reducing any inconvenience for innocent members of the public."

Under the pilot, codenamed Lantern, police officers will be able to check the fingerprints from both index fingers of the suspect - with their permission - against a central computer database, with a response within a few minutes.

It's a first to search a national database and get a response back in a couple of minutes

Chris Wheeler

Police Information Technology Organisation

"The handheld, capture device is little bigger than a PDA," said Chris Wheeler, head of fingerprint identification at the Police Information Technology Organisation PITO.

"Screening on the street means they [police] can check an identity and verify it.

"And if they verify it on the street and the person is currently not wanted by anyone but is known to the system for a reason - that is sufficient for fixed penalty notices."

Currently an officer has to arrest a person and take them to a custody suite to fingerprint them.

Electronic safeguards

The device will be used with the Automatic Number Plate Recognition team, who identify vehicles of interest.

If a vehicle is stopped, police will be able to identify the driver and passengers. At present about 60 per cent of drivers stopped do not give their true identity.


FINGERPRINTS

Argentine police officer Juan Vucetich made the first positive criminal fingerprint identification in 1892
Six years earlier fingerprinting pioneer Scotsman Dr Henry Faulds offered the concept to the Met Police
The UK's first fingerprint bureau was founded in Scotland Yard in 1901 with the help of Indian experts
No two fingerprints have ever been found to be identical in many billions of human and automated computer comparisons


Inspector Steve Rawlings, based in Luton, said it takes two sets of fingerprints and the fingerprints are not retained.

"The encounter can be 15 minutes on the roadside rather than three hours in the police station," he said.

The device has an accuracy of 94-95% and will be used for identification purposes only, say police, and there are electronic safeguards to prevent misuse.

It sends encrypted data to the national ID system using GPRS - a wireless system used by many mobile phones.

More than 6.5 million fingerprints are cross-referenced and sent back to the officer.

Mark Wallace, who represents the civil liberties group, the Freedom Association told BBC Radio Five Live that he had "concerns" about the scheme.

"I don't think we should be reassured by the fact that at the moment it's voluntary and at the moment they won't be recorded," he said.

"Both of those things are actually only happening in the trial because the laws haven't been passed to do this on a national basis compulsorily and with recording."
 








Rookie

Greetings
Feb 8, 2005
12,324
but the police don't have my finger prints on record and so taking them will not prove my identity or am I really missing the point here? Would not let them take my prints at the road side anyways, they can take me to the station and charge me with something first
 


REDLAND

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Jul 7, 2003
9,443
At the foot of the downs
HampshireSeagulls said:
So the Met need to take fingerprints to enhance security. Perhaps the dozy fcukers should start looking a little closer to home before they panic about the security of the nation. Bloody amateurs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6171468.stm

The computers were taken in a raid last Thursday on offices used by the firm responsible for the Met's pay and pension services.


not really the Mets fault ..
 






bhaexpress

New member
Jul 7, 2003
27,627
Kent
The Large One said:
I would refuse to have my prints taken.

Then they'd probably break your fingers, accidentally as is the way with the Met.
 


desprateseagull

New member
Jul 20, 2003
10,171
brighton, actually
when did this law come in, to allow (enforce?) mobile fingerprinting.. if you have not commited any crime, the cops dont need your details surely?

and what happens to the print info, after you have been cleared..?

a sneaky way to build up an ID database...
 
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HampshireSeagulls

Moulding Generation Z
Jul 19, 2005
5,264
Bedford
REDLAND said:
The computers were taken in a raid last Thursday on offices used by the firm responsible for the Met's pay and pension services.


not really the Mets fault ..

True. But probably also a record result in arresting the people responsible, and recovering the kit.

I wonder if they would be just as quick to recover a personal laptop nicked from someone's house?

Anyway, they should be risk assessing the company that they use for payroll work, whether it's their staff or not.
 




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