Wisła Kraków;9553923 said:You called me to the board, so here I am. There is no one and only correct answer and nobody in Poland would answer simply to that question. This is a big country, completely crazy about football (although I may not look like one from afar). 80/90 is specific because of the transformation (end of communism, USRR etc.) and very difficult beginnings of capitalism (poverty, mafia etc.) . Sport was one of the victims. After World Cup in Mexico 1986 we waited until Korea in 2002, 16 lat years. I was born in 1987 so I am the generation of "Poland was great football country once, go father will tell you, but now we suck and let's get used to that"). After 2002 when things began to stabilise the Western footbal world was so ahead financially that it was already really hard to catch-up. Even in the 90's Polish clubs Legia or Widzew could play good games against the big clubs if they could. Now these are different worlds.
And another thing is the generation. We had great generation in the 70/80's (the squad the eliminated England in 1973 on Wembley and later came 3rd in the world and 3rd in 1982 was their last big party + young promising players like Boniek already were there) later a gap. There were good guys in the 90's (In 1992 we got silver medal in the Olympics in Barcelona, final on the Camp Nou against Spain lost 3:2) and out coaches were mentally in the old times and world went on. They still based the game on physical skills, players prepared in the mountins in winter (like in Rocky 4, you know what I mean) and despite we were close a few times, we could play eg fantastic game in 1997 against France in Paris (0:0 I think) which later on won the World Cup in 98. But we had always difficult groups in eliminations (eg Italy and England at the same time and only 1-2 teams could be promoted).
Ok I think nobody will hardly read this but you mentioned me, so here I am
Wisła Kraków;9553923 said:You called me to the board, so here I am. There is no one and only correct answer and nobody in Poland would answer simply to that question. This is a big country, completely crazy about football (although I may not look like one from afar). 80/90 is specific because of the transformation (end of communism, USRR etc.) and very difficult beginnings of capitalism (poverty, mafia etc.) . Sport was one of the victims. After World Cup in Mexico 1986 we waited until Korea in 2002, 16 lat years. I was born in 1987 so I am the generation of "Poland was great football country once, go father will tell you, but now we suck and let's get used to that"). After 2002 when things began to stabilise the Western footbal world was so ahead financially that it was already really hard to catch-up. Even in the 90's Polish clubs Legia or Widzew could play good games against the big clubs if they could. Now these are different worlds.
And another thing is the generation. We had great generation in the 70/80's (the squad the eliminated England in 1973 on Wembley and later came 3rd in the world and 3rd in 1982 was their last big party + young promising players like Boniek already were there) later a gap. There were good guys in the 90's (In 1992 we got silver medal in the Olympics in Barcelona, final on the Camp Nou against Spain lost 3:2) and out coaches were mentally in the old times and world went on. They still based the game on physical skills, players prepared in the mountins in winter (like in Rocky 4, you know what I mean) and despite we were close a few times, we could play eg fantastic game in 1997 against France in Paris (0:0 I think) which later on won the World Cup in 98. But we had always difficult groups in eliminations (eg Italy and England at the same time and only 1-2 teams could be promoted).
Ok I think nobody will hardly read this but you mentioned me, so here I am
Wisła Kraków;9553923 said:You called me to the board, so here I am.
Ok I think nobody will hardly read this but you mentioned me, so here I am
Thanks for that and welcome to the board.Wisła Kraków;9548319 said:I've read last few pages so can refer to some unanswered questions:
- the news about Bielsa reached Poland, even that in Leeds the city has named a street after him. We've got Mateusz Klich there as a playmaker so "Bielsa" materials aren't rare. Unless there was some hidden meaning to that comment I can't reckon
- Moder's position is 8, sometimes even 6. He's best at interception, yet as you observed, box-to-box player is quite an elegant description. He's got fantastic shot from distance and I mean it - after his debut in Ektraklasa he got like 3 goals per 4-5 shots from outside the box. It was quite smashing even in our strange league. Do not consider his as 10, he was tried there but it's not his pair of shoes, you'll have better fitted guys there
- as far as Italy game is concerned Moder was actually the best there in Polish team (alongside Bereszyński and Walukiewicz - another gem, but already in Cagliari since 19/20. Not for very long anymore we think). Moder played alongside very experienced Grzegorz Krychowiak (2 cups Europa League with Sevilla, also selected in the Euro16 UEFA Team and I think 15/16 La Liga Team of the Year, later on 2 years of failure in PSG, now Locomotiv Moscow, also chosen to the Team of the Year 19/20 of Prijemier Liga). And Krychowiak looked like slow,bulky Moder's apprentice (who actually played for the second time in our National team). Amazing
- No, you won't see both boys in the Europa League. Karbownik's Legia Warsaw was knocked out in the 4th round of preliminaries (and as a club is undergoing serious problems right now, hence Brighton had to pay only 4-5,5M for him. Just 2-3 months earlier there was really close to seal the deal with Napoli for 8-8,5M. You just patiently and succussfully played your cards there and won).
Cheers, it's really nice you follow the boys
