Player Ratings - A protocol

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Couldn't Be Hyypia

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Not sure if this is useful, but probably worth some debate (apols if already done elsewhere).

One issue that has been raised by the Swindon Players Rating thread is that everyone can have a different view of a players performance (I refer to the Revell Rating argument). However, to enable meaningful comparison it would seem that we should not have a different scale of measurement.

For example, rating a player as a "4" ought to mean something consistent to everyone. The debate would then be "does the player merit a 4 or a 6" for example. This would allow for quantitative debate.

I'm sure this is wrong, but as a thought starter - and with a view to getting a scoring protocol that we can all agree - how about:

Player Rating:

10 - outstanding contribution throughout the game, best player on the pitch by some margin, outstanding skills (given the division) and performance could not be improved upon.

9 - magnificent game, stand out performance. Player at the top of his game.

8 - influential performance at a high standard throughout the match.

7 - telling performance with noteworthy spells.

6 - steady match. As you would expect, but only occasionally more than that.

5 - failed to contribute noticeably. No obvious or critical lapses.

4 - performed below par and made some noteable errors during the game.

3 - poor game with critical lapses and overall lack of contribution.

2 - very poor game. Major errors and no redeeming play.

1 - extremely poor game. An all time bad performance littered with errors and some major mistakes.

0 - a stinker of a game. Not only failed to contribute at all and made numerous catastrophic errors, but would have been better to have no player at all.

Couple of points. You could argue that 10 is perfection and therefore can never be obtained, but in this type of scoring system it is useful to regard 10/10 as something just less than perfection. It then becomes a meaningful, if extremely rare, score. Equally, you need to have 0 as an option or you might as well score from 1 to 10. But again, this would be exceptional.

The tendency is for people to actually mark players between 3 and 9. Hopefully an agreed protocol would help NSC'ers who want to genuinely reflect a performance and be able to compare their views meaningfully.

It might also stop some of the squabbling about giving a player 0. On this scale, would Revell have scored 0 on Saturday in anyone's opinion? Surely the most one-eyed Revell-hater who thought he'd had a bad game would have to give him more than 0?

Open for debate - I'd be happy to use an agreed scoring system.
 
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Hiney

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One issue that has been raised by the Swindon Players Rating thread is that everyone can have a different view of a players performance

Isn't that the whole point?

That's what makes the whole thing INTERESTING. If we sanitised the whole process and made it into some kind of points allocation process, it takes away the DEBATE that always goes on.
 


4/10 to The Real Hans Kraay - a notable error, assuming that NSC is seeking consistency.

6/10 to Hiney - correct, but a rather dull presentation. Use of capitals very PREDICTABLE.
 




El Presidente

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Can we change 3/10 to 'Adam El Abd' (or whoever the current NSC whipping boy is, insert Henderson/Robinson/Knight/Gatting etc. as the boot fits). Irrespective of how he performs, will always be subject to carping comments from a bitter and twisted middle aged bloke whose shit marriage, poor personal hygiene , occasional impotence and lack of social skills make him a social leper. Such an individual only watches the Albion to spew bile at someone who he has never met or spoken to, and has a sense of superiority such that anyone who gives the current victim of his vented spleen a 4 or more is subject to 25 PM's of abuse and an accusation of being a kiddie fiddler.
 






Frutos

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We also need to include the rule that, even in the (admittedly fairly unlikely) event of David Martot scoring a hat-trick and generally having a better game than Ronaldinho on his best day, Withdean Wanderer will still give him no more than a 3.
 






Couldn't Be Hyypia

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"One issue that has been raised by the Swindon Players Rating thread is that everyone can have a different view of a players performance"

Isn't that the whole point?

That's what makes the whole thing INTERESTING. If we sanitised the whole process and made it into some kind of points allocation process, it takes away the DEBATE that always goes on.

That's exactly the point I am making. Everyone could and should have their own perspective - so I could rate a performance as a 4 and you might rate it as a 7 - that is the joy of NSC. I would also make my case for a 4 (as people do) and you would make yours for a 7 (as people do).

All I am suggesting is that the score should mean the same thing, not that the scores should all be the same. For example:

So I reckon Hammond played out of his boots and was a key influence on the game - 8 points no argument.

You watched the same match but don't reckon he did much at all and in fact was bloody negative at times - you give him 4.

That's your point of view, but at least we can all agree what the scores mean.

In the Swindon thread someone gave Revelll a 0. On this scale (and any right minded scale in fact) how could that be?

I won't flog this if people aren't getting it or if it's not needed. Just thinking out load last night after most of a bottle of Sav blanc. And I'm not a civil servant. Work in advertising.
 


larus

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That's exactly the point I am making. Everyone could and should have their own perspective - so I could rate a performance as a 4 and you might rate it as a 7 - that is the joy of NSC. I would also make my case for a 4 (as people do) and you would make yours for a 7 (as people do).

All I am suggesting is that the score should mean the same thing, not that the scores should all be the same. For example:

So I reckon Hammond played out of his boots and was a key influence on the game - 8 points no argument.

You watched the same match but don't reckon he did much at all and in fact was bloody negative at times - you give him 4.

That's your point of view, but at least we can all agree what the scores mean.

In the Swindon thread someone gave Revelll a 0. On this scale (and any right minded scale in fact) how could that be?

I won't flog this if people aren't getting it or if it's not needed. Just thinking out load last night after most of a bottle of Sav blanc. And I'm not a civil servant. Work in advertising.

I agree with the point you're trying to make. Some people view a 5 as a negative score, when in fact it should be seen as par.

If all used the same starting point to make a 'relative' judegement, it then makes it easier to discuss the points.

Most people will give everyone 6 or 7, even if we lose a game !!!
 


Scotty Mac

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seeing as its out of 10, i always base a 5 on an average performance
 




Simster

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Can we change 3/10 to 'Adam El Abd' (or whoever the current NSC whipping boy is, insert Henderson/Robinson/Knight/Gatting etc. as the boot fits). Irrespective of how he performs, will always be subject to carping comments from a bitter and twisted middle aged bloke whose shit marriage, poor personal hygiene , occasional impotence and lack of social skills make him a social leper. Such an individual only watches the Albion to spew bile at someone who he has never met or spoken to, and has a sense of superiority such that anyone who gives the current victim of his vented spleen a 4 or more is subject to 25 PM's of abuse and an accusation of being a kiddie fiddler.
Or we could simply revert to the original definition of 3 out of 10 and ban NMH?
 


Scotty Mac

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