Pietersen at it again.

[Guinness Boy]

It's funny how, back when we were originally shit, people said we should be more like the all conquering Aussies with their cabal of top players and win at all cost attitude. Then we were and we won. Now it was all a terrible idea all along.

 

[Tooting Gull]

It's funny how such a poisonous and selfish bloke seems to have so many friends in the world of cricket and other's who will back him up.

As far as I can see he has very few friends in the world of cricket. And even the ones that are backing him are people who basically have a beef with his enemies (my enemy's enemy etc).

Michael Vaughan's defence of him is basically saying 'Look at me, what a great captain I was', ignoring the fact the bloke's ego mushroomed from 2005 onwards for his successors to deal with.

Unless you mean Piers Morgan...

 

[spring hall convert]

It's funny how, back when we were originally shit, people said we should be more like the all conquering Aussies with their cabal of top players and win at all cost attitude. Then we were and we won. Now it was all a terrible idea all along.

Totally different. The Australian and South African dressing rooms have been fierce to their opponents and great places to bring through new talent. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Between Trott's debut in the summer of '09 and the end of Flower's reign in Jan '14 only Root had made a successful case for himself being a test cricketer of the new caps and he was hanging on by his fingernails. Something had changed.

 

[spring hall convert]

Come off it, are you really that gullible, one bit of hard-core spin from Pietersen and you're eating out of his hand!

He doesn't give a sh!t about anyone other than himself, and the reason he has brought the bullying up is a) to sell the book and b) because he didn't like the Twitter parody account.

To now claim what he was REALLY bothered about was those youngsters trying to break in is utter revisionist drivel dreamed up years after the event to support his position.

And I think you are being equally as blind/gullible about the ECB. Let's leave it there.

 

[Tooting Gull]

And I think you are being equally as blind/gullible about the ECB. Let's leave it there.

It isn't clever just to make stuff up! I have already said on this thread (if you have read it) that there are no winners here, and at no point have I 'backed' the ECB. Pietersen has screwed up. His team-mates have screwed up. The ECB and Flower screwed up. It's a total shambles.

It is rare when you have as divisive an issue as this where it is almost impossible to take anyone's side, because they're all equally as unsympathetic. I'm sure a lot of us Sussex fans aren't too impressed with what is emerging about Prior, although he deserves his say in response. But Pietersen is the one with the book out making waves, so he has to take his share of the criticism.

 

[keaton]

As far as I can see he has very few friends in the world of cricket. And even the ones that are backing him are people who basically have a beef with his enemies (my enemy's enemy etc).

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So his enemies enemies appear to be the rest of world cricket including Carberry, Tremlett, Vauaghan and Alec Stewart.

Whereas the people saying he's wrong are Swann, Bresnan and Broad (all non-comittally), Jonathan Agnew (him defending the ECB? never), Strauss and Collingwood. Yeah it's pro-KP people who you'd assume to be bias

 

[keaton]

It isn't clever just to make stuff up! I have already said on this thread (if you have read it) that there are no winners here, and at no point have I 'backed' the ECB. Pietersen has screwed up. His team-mates have screwed up. The ECB and Flower screwed up. It's a total shambles.

It is rare when you have as divisive an issue as this where it is almost impossible to take anyone's side, because they're all equally as unsympathetic. I'm sure a lot of us Sussex fans aren't too impressed with what is emerging about Prior, although he deserves his say in response. But Pietersen is the one with the book out making waves, so he has to take his share of the criticism.

IF (if) it's all true why should he take his share of criticism?

 

[spring hall convert]

It isn't clever just to make stuff up! I have already said on this thread (if you have read it) that there are no winners here, and at no point have I 'backed' the ECB. Pietersen has screwed up. His team-mates have screwed up. The ECB and Flower screwed up. It's a total shambles.

It is rare when you have as divisive an issue as this where it is almost impossible to take anyone's side, because they're all equally as unsympathetic. I'm sure a lot of us Sussex fans aren't too impressed with what is emerging about Prior, although he deserves his say in response. But Pietersen is the one with the book out making waves, so he has to take his share of the criticism.

Ok I missed that, equally you've missed where I've made constant reference to Pietersen being tough to handle. The difference is KP has gone, he'll never play for England again. Flower is still a big cheese in English cricket.

 

[Tooting Gull]

IF (if) it's all true why should he take his share of criticism?

What do you mean 'If it's all true?' He's a troublemaker who has tried to get at least two coaches sacked because HE didn't like them and slagged off his England captain to Test opposition during a series. Some of the other stuff he says may be true.

Pietersen has been rubbing people up the wrong way ever since he arrived in this country. That is a fact, and anyone who knows anything about cricket and follows it closely would tell you the same.

Now, you can play that role - 'Love me or hate me, I'm in your face but I'm the star and I'll get the runs'. But when it goes tits up you can't be surprised if not everyone is gutted to see your demise.

 

[keaton]

What do you mean 'If it's all true?' He's a troublemaker who has tried to get at least two coaches sacked because HE didn't like them and slagged off his England captain to Test opposition during a series. Some of the other stuff he says may be true.

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I thought he wanted rid of them because they were both failing at the time? Most people wanted rid of Flower this winter and Moores at that time. I'm not sure why a player expressing that opinion in controversial especially if Flower was allowing players to be bullied. I'm not sure he even said anything about wanting Flower out he just criticised his coaching something most people were doing at the time.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

IF (if) it's all true why should he take his share of criticism?

If it were ALL true, with regard to the bullying, and senior players actively blocking the integration of young talent, and Pieterson sat there in the corner throughout, taking the money and the glory, saying nothing (in fact actually giving media interviews about what a 'great' dressing room it was) would you not see that that was worthy of criticism??

 

[Tooting Gull]

I thought he wanted rid of them because they were both failing at the time? Most people wanted rid of Flower this winter and Moores at that time. I'm not sure why a player expressing that opinion in controversial especially if Flower was allowing players to be bullied.

How would you feel if an Albion player was shown to be a ringleader in agitating behind the scenes about Hyypia and trying to get him sacked, going behind his back to Bloom and Barber? What happened to the idea that the head coach is in charge?

 

[keaton]

If it were ALL true, with regard to the bullying, and senior players actively blocking the integration of young talent, and Pieterson sat there in the corner throughout, taking the money and the glory, saying nothing (in fact actually giving media interviews about what a 'great' dressing room it was) would you not see that that was worthy of criticism??

He claims he did try and discuss it with people. But yes if he did nothing I think it would worth criticising him but a long down the list of people to criticise

 

[keaton]

How would you feel if an Albion player was shown to be a ringleader in agitating behind the scenes about Hyypia and trying to get him sacked, going behind his back to Bloom and Barber? What happened to the idea that the head coach is in charge?

Not sure. But if Bloom and Barber asked Greer what he thought about Hypia and he told them he didn't think he was doing a good job, disagreed with his methods and didn't want a to be captain any more under Hypia, and Bloom then leaked this to the press I wouldn't blame Greer for the next six years

 

[Tooting Gull]

Not sure. But if Bloom and Barber asked Greer what he thought about Hypia and he told them he didn't think he was doing a good job, disagreed with his methods and didn't want a to be captain any more under Hypia, and Bloom then leaked this to the press I wouldn't blame Greer for the next six years

But that's the point, isn't it. Greer wouldn't do or say those things. He might express reservations if asked, but would never say 'Get rid of him or I don't want to be captain any more'. Because he is a team man, and not all about self.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

He claims he did try and discuss it with people.

Ah, right. that's okay then. If he says he did, then I believe him...

(And the gushing interviews about it being 'the best dressing room I've ever experienced'?)

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

But that's the point, isn't it. Greer wouldn't do or say those things. He might express reservations if asked, but would never say 'Get rid of him or I don't want to be captain any more'. Because he is a team man, and not all about self.

A team of Gordon Greers - that will get everyone excited.

 

[Tooting Gull]

A team of Gordon Greers - that will get everyone excited.

I'd agree, it wouldn't be the best cricket team

 

[Iggle Piggle]

How would you feel if an Albion player was shown to be a ringleader in agitating behind the scenes about Hyypia and trying to get him sacked, going behind his back to Bloom and Barber? What happened to the idea that the head coach is in charge?

That would make us Chelsea. That's what JT has done for years.

 

[Man of Harveys]

I thought he wanted rid of them because they were both failing at the time?

So anybody who thinks their boss might be wrong should act the way he did? In the nicest possible, are you either a) nuts or b) residing so far up KP's rectal passages that both you AND Piers Morgan can easily determine what he had for breakfast? (clue, it won't ever have been humble pie...) Get a grip, for heavens sake.