PFA - the most powerful Union?

[Medwayseagull]

I see the PFA have enforced a rule reagrding a maximum two weeks fine in the Tevez case. I do not know any other employment where the Union can tell the employer what to do in similar circumstances of misconduct. Does anybody else?

 

[Davey Boy Smith]

I know it's incredible. What I find even more impressive is that almost all of their money comes direct from TV deals rather than the players having to pay subs to join - as is the case with every other union. I do applaud the stuff they do for clubs undergoing financial trouble but surely the players should be paying some of this themselves?

Although could be said it's a circular argument as the money for players wages also comes from TV deals but you know what I mean...

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Union? It's a player's cartel.

 

[Smirko]

Gordon Taylor is just an apologist loudmouth for the overpaid prima donnas in the PL. He would find the good points and defend the indefensible in in Hitler, Pol Pot and Tony Blair!

 

[drew]

Gordon Talyor does nothing for the interest of Football, just the interest of his own pocket. Also, doesn't the union have a flat subscription rate, ie you pay the same if you play for Plymouth in League 2 as those that earn £200k plus per week!!!!

 

[withdeanwombat]

Worker persecuted by employer.

Worker's union backs worker against unfounded claims.

Shock,horror.

 

[Medwayseagull]

Gordon Taylor is just an apologist loudmouth for the overpaid prima donnas in the PL. He would find the good points and defend the indefensible in in Hitler, Pol Pot and Margaret Thatcher!

Far more appropriate in my view

 

[Easy 10]

Worker persecuted by employer.

Worker's union backs worker against unfounded claims.

Shock,horror.

Worker persecuted by employer for withdrawing his labour.

Seems fair enough to me.

 

[Tooting Gull]

Where this all fell down for City was that no player on the bench backed Mancini's version. And I wouldn't mind betting that the hand of Taylor was involved there behind the scenes, warning them not to shop a fellow pro etc.

I think Taylor is well past his sell-by date, he's become almost a Blatter-style figure. You need someone there who will fight for his members when they deserve it, but recognise when they're taking the piss.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Worker persecuted by employer for withdrawing his labour.

Seems fair enough to me.

So you agree he has been persecuted.

Nobody backed Mancini on the bench,players OR staff.

The player's reputation has been damaged and THAT's why sports lawyers are agreeing that the player has a good case if he wants to sue.

He won't bother.There's a better deal for him in Spain,Latin America and possibly Italy,though he's probably seen one Italian too many !

 

[sten_super]

So you agree he has been persecuted.

Nobody backed Mancini on the bench,players OR staff.

The player's reputation has been damaged and THAT's why sports lawyers are agreeing that the player has a good case if he wants to sue.

He won't bother.There's a better deal for him in Spain,Latin America and possibly Italy,though he's probably seen one Italian too many !

Wait a minute - no-one's claimed that he's innocent. He's been found guilty of being unwilling to warm up, and even Gordon Taylor has admitted that. This apparently (technically) does not represent a refusal to play, but if he's not warmed up (and, while he claimed that he was, Mancini clearly didn't think he was) then no manager worth his salt is going to send him on.

The legal action stuff is nonsense - he misbehaved, and he got punished for it. I think it's ridiculous that the PFA are hampering the club's ability to penalise a player for what is clearly a major disciplinary issue.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I see the PFA have enforced a rule reagrding a maximum two weeks fine in the Tevez case. I do not know any other employment where the Union can tell the employer what to do in similar circumstances of misconduct. Does anybody else?

The rail unions are more powerful by several thousand country miles.

 

[Easy 10]

So you agree he has been persecuted.

Nobody backed Mancini on the bench,players OR staff.

The player's reputation has been damaged and THAT's why sports lawyers are agreeing that the player has a good case if he wants to sue.

He won't bother.There's a better deal for him in Spain,Latin America and possibly Italy,though he's probably seen one Italian too many !

The persecution is fully justified. Refusing to warm up is, in effect, refusing to play. Tevez openly defied his managers instructions, so how was his reputation NOT going to be damaged by that ? Its not Mancini or what he said that has sulllied Tevez's reputation, the players actions that night did that all on their own.

Tevez had the hump because he was benched, because he'd not got the move he wanted, and because a loyalty bonus of about a million quid was being removed from his contract owing to him agitating for a move. None of that can be proven of course, and he'd deny it to the hilt now obviously, but reading between the lines Tevez was not (as he said himself) "in the right frame of mind to play" primarily because he had the raging hump with Mancini and Man City.

Hence him effectively giving the middle finger when he was told to warm up.

 

[Daffy Duck]

And isn't Gordon Taylor the biggest drip in football?

I can't stand his monotonous, boring voice, he just drones on and on.

 

[Easy 10]

And isn't Gordon Taylor the biggest drip in football?

I can't stand his monotonous, boring voice, he just drones on and on.

He's the master at defending the indefensible.

If a player raped Gordon Taylors sister, he'd blame the players wife for letting herself go a bit.

 

[dgh123]

For a union in football it needs to to be just as powerful as the clubs them selves otherwise it won't really get very far!

 

[Daffy Duck]

He's the master at defending the indefensible.

If a player raped Gordon Taylors sister, he'd blame the players wife for letting herself go a bit.