Penalty Shoot Out Rules: what if ?

[perseus]

What if the Greek goalkeeper saves the penalty and then mysteriously throws the ball into his own net: would it be a goal?

Or when the shot hit the bar and bounced in off the keeper, I was not sure if it was a a goal or not.

Suppose the keeper dived to his left and the ball went the other way bounced along the goal-line and the keeper put the ball in his own net after frantically trying to stop it, would it be a goal then?

 

[¡Cereal Killer!]

Dunno

Yes - happened for Holland against who ever they played the other night in the penlty shootout

Yes

 

[Albion Rob]

I think the laws of the game state that in penalty shootouts, once the ball has stopped moving forward after first struck then the penalty is over.

So, if the ball smacked against the post, came out and hit the keeper on the arse and went in, the penalty would be missed.

 

[fatboy]

Rob is correct, but it is up to the discretion of the referee.

Hence, Larsson's penalty was allowed to stand.

 

[Wardy]

In the first instance if the keeper as the ball in his hands it is deemed to be dead. The same as in cricket. If the ball is caught, then thrown back in the air it is still out.

In the second and third instance, normally if the ball is still moving then the ref will allow it

 

[interjambo]

Rob is correct, but it is up to the discretion of the referee.

Hence, Larsson's penalty was allowed to stand.

I'm sure it wasn't Larsson's penalty that hit the post then the keeper. Wasn't it Ljungberg's?

 

[perseus]

Penalty laws in the normal course of play, not shoot-outs:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesAndRegulations/FIFALawsOfTheGame/Postings/2002/05/12119.htm

 

[perth seagull]

I'm sure it wasn't Larsson's penalty that hit the post then the keeper. Wasn't it Ljungberg's?

Yes, it was Ljungberg not Larsson. His penalty was the one that hit the cross bar, bounced down and hit Van Der Sar in the back and then rolled into the goal.

 

[perseus]

This interpretation may apply:

When a penalty kick is taken during the normal course of play, or time has been extended at half-time or full time to allow a penalty kick to be taken or retaken, a goal is awarded if, before passing between the goalposts and under the crossbar: the ball touches either or both of the goalposts and/or the crossbar, and/or the goalkeeper
http://www.tips-on-soccer.com/print_version.php?s=171

I do not know what would happen if the keeper catches it and then it squirms out of his grasp.

In the last minute of normal play, it would be the time it took for the referee to blow his whistle.

I could forsee a keeper parrying the ball on to the post reducing its momentum, and when the ball comes back of the past hitting the keeper again and trickling over the line.

If Portugal score it it would be allowed, but if it was Greece?

Wouldn't have helped Andy Gurney, of course

 

[Thimble Keegan]

During a penalty shoot-out it is down to the referee's discretion as to when the penalty kick has ceased and the next one begins. So the Ljungberg penalty where it hit the bar and then hit the keeper before going was down to the ref's decision, he could have ruled no goal. After hitting the bar the ref could have decided that the penalty was over and the re-bound off the keeper into the net was not valid just as he could give the goal as he did do.

Albion & England forever.

Thimble Keegan
Worthing BHA