Penalty Encroachment Game

[Mendoza]

Inspired by Match Of The Day

No one is meant to be in the box other than the kicker and keeper, but yesterday there was both volume and distance in the spot kick encroachers.

Points should be awarded per player in the box and distance travelled. Can the football league players beat the premier league lot?

Helguson's effort for QPR was particularly impressive!

Feel free to add any you spot during the season...

 

[BensGrandad]

I posted about this on another thread last night. For QPRs first penalty there was more people in the box at the time of the kick than out of it. When I was young and qualified as classIII referee we was taught that the ref watched the goal keeper for moving as they were not permitted to move then and the lino, as he was, stood on the line and watched for encroachment or vice versa they swapped roles, but both liostenedf for the kicking of the ball to get their timing right. What do the assistants do now

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

i think it was millwall barnsley yesterday

there was one defender who had to actually check his run because he was quite close to being in front of darius henderson

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Why not follow the hockey model and have everyone behind the half way line apart from the penalty taker and the goalie? Silly to have a law/rule in place if it is not adhered to.

 

[krakatoa]

I often wonder about this. And keeper's are often a yard off their line when the ball's kicked. Complete and utter incompetence from the officials.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

I often wonder about this. And keeper's are often a yard off their line when the ball's kicked. Complete and utter incompetence from the officials.

Interestingly (he says), the goalies in Mendoza's pictures are pretty much on their lines at the point of impact... very surprised by that as there must be an advantage in being even slightly forward at that stage and it would never be detected/stopped by refs...

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

it's a shame isn't it? referees argue the case and highlight a load of laws and rules about football when someone gets a red card, but the rule book goes when there's a penalty. the winner goes to QPR or Newcastle.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

It only REALLY matters if the goalkeeper saves and the ball comes out for an encroaching player to become an active player in the second phase.

 

[Chris_Highwind]

I often wonder about this. And keeper's are often a yard off their line when the ball's kicked. Complete and utter incompetence from the officials.

this is something that has angered me about the 2005 Champions league final... dudek is pretty much on the 6 yard box for some of the penalties!!

 

[MattBackHome]

It only REALLY matters if the goalkeeper saves and the ball comes out for an encroaching player to become an active player in the second phase.

But they don't know at the time of encroachment, whether or not the penno is going to be saved or not.

It's naughty, simple as that.

 

[briref]

spot on

It only REALLY matters if the goalkeeper saves and the ball comes out for an encroaching player to become an active player in the second phase.

 

[BensGrandad]

As promised here is the reply I received from The Premier League to my e mail which is shown below their reply.


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The following comment was recently submitted: Name:Brian comment: I was watching Match of The Day on Saturday night and when QPR took their firsty penalty there were more people in the penalty area than outside of this. Why is this not getting picked up? I qualified as Class III ref while in the army in 1060 and were taught that the ref watched the goalkeeper who in those days wasnt permitted to move and the linesmen watched for encroachment or vice versa. What are the assistant refs now doing becauser they do nothing to assist the refs in these situations. In most cases now the goalkleepers have moved forward a yard long before the kick is taken but this never or very rarely picked up by the officials. What is the point of having a rule if it is not adhered to and blatantly ignored. I would be interested in your views.
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[Wardy]

How about changing the law so that if as a defender you encroach the goal is given regardless of if it is saved, and if as an attacker you encroach there is no goal given regardless of if the player scores or not. Would soon put a stop to it.

 

[BensGrandad]

It is still down to the refs interpretation and application and as I said they appeaer to be getting no help from their assistant refs

 

[Badger]

It's one of those laws that hardly ever gets enforced, much like the foul throw law.

 

[Pbseagull]

The following comment was recently submitted: Name:Brian comment: I was watching Match of The Day on Saturday night and when QPR took their firsty penalty there were more people in the penalty area than outside of this. Why is this not getting picked up? I qualified as Class III ref while in the army in 1060 and were taught that the ref watched the goalkeeper who in those days wasnt permitted to move and the linesmen watched for encroachment or vice versa. What are the assistant refs now doing becauser they do nothing to assist the refs in these situations. In most cases now the goalkleepers have moved forward a yard long before the kick is taken but this never or very rarely picked up by the officials. What is the point of having a rule if it is not adhered to and blatantly ignored. I would be interested in your views.
Regards,

Premier League Customer Services

Blimey you're a lot older than I thought ( did you know William The Conquerer or Harold personally?)

 

[super-seagulls]

How about changing the law so that if as a defender you encroach the goal is given regardless of if it is saved, and if as an attacker you encroach there is no goal given regardless of if the player scores or not. Would soon put a stop to it.

But what if a player from each team prematurely entered the box?

 

[Wilko]

It only REALLY matters if the goalkeeper saves and the ball comes out for an encroaching player to become an active player in the second phase.

Exactly. If one of the encroachers (love that word) bangs in the rebound then I think the lino is then more likely to stick his flag up.

 

[BensGrandad]

Advantage should be given to the non offending team but this is difficult if players of both teams go into the box. Perhaps the answer is to order the kick to be retaken if the penalty is scored and give a yellow card to the offenders. If missed carry on as was but give the same yellow card to the offenders.

 

[seagullondon]

Blimey you're a lot older than I thought ( did you know William The Conquerer or Harold personally?)

i read this and it did make me chuckle