[Football] Penalties

[Easy 10]

Interested to read today that in training, Ivan Toney practices all his penalties from 13 yards instead of 12 so that psychologically, when it comes to the real thing, it feels slightly easier. Genius, or dangerous ?

YOU decide.

 

[crodonilson]

Scored 28 of his 30 penalties, 93% success rate. Think that says it all. Balls of steel that boy.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Interested to read today that in training, Ivan Toney practices all his penalties from 13 yards instead of 12 so that psychologically, when it comes to the real thing, it feels slightly easier. Genius, or dangerous ?

YOU decide.

I'd say NO, on the following logic:

The angles become different (slightly narrower from further out). If you practice 100 penalties from 13 yards, placing them just inside the post, then that same kick of the ball, repeated from 12 yards, will see the ball enter the goal a foot or two inside the post - and thus more saveable.

But, Toney's record is ridiculously good, so who is anyone to question his methods.?

 

[Simster]

I'd say NO, on the following logic:

The angles become different (slightly narrower from further out). If you practice 100 penalties from 13 yards, placing them just inside the post, then that same kick of the ball, repeated from 12 yards, will see the ball enter the goal a foot or two inside the post - and thus more saveable.

But, Toney's record is ridiculously good, so who is anyone to question his methods.?

I initially thought NO using the same logic, but frankly we're clearly wrong as it works for Toney.

And I doubt Beckham placed the ball in exactly the same spot when practicing taking free kicks from outside the area which is probably relevant in so far as I'm not sure you get any better at pens by only practising from exactly right place.

 

[Easy 10]

I'd say NO, on the following logic:

The angles become different (slightly narrower from further out). If you practice 100 penalties from 13 yards, placing them just inside the post, then that same kick of the ball, repeated from 12 yards, will see the ball enter the goal a foot or two inside the post - and thus more saveable.

But, Toney's record is ridiculously good, so who is anyone to question his methods.?

This mirrors my thoughts.

In theory you'd think the changing of angles would potentially screw up the muscle-memory when it comes to accurate placement. But then he has such a unique method in that he stares the keeper down during the whole process, not even looking at the ball, before seemingly deciding which way to strike according to the keepers movement during his run-up. Its clearly something that just works for him.

Of course now I've brought it up, we all know what happens next.

 

[Easy 10]

Another interesting aspect is how long England players now take after the referee's whistle before beginning their run-up.

Previously we've apparently had the lowest average of any country in shootouts, just 0.28 seconds. This has now changed. Against the Swiss, Toney (swiss Toney )waited 7 seconds, TAA 6.5 seconds, and Saka a full 8 seconds. Just using a moment to take a breath has been producing results. Good to see the small details and psychology that has been going into giving us that slightly better chance.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

It's similar to when the England batsmen practiced with thinner bats 5 or so years ago.

The effect of which left some wondering which bat it was they had bought out into the middle

 

[pigmanovich]

Another interesting aspect is how long England players now take after the referee's whistle before beginning their run-up.

Previously we've apparently had the lowest average of any country in shootouts, just 0.28 seconds. This has now changed. Against the Swiss, Toney (swiss Toney )waited 7 seconds, TAA 6.5 seconds, and Saka a full 8 seconds. Just using a moment to take a breath has been producing results. Good to see the small details and psychology that has been going into giving us that slightly better chance.

If you've seen Dear England, this comes up in the play!

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Another interesting aspect is how long England players now take after the referee's whistle before beginning their run-up.

Previously we've apparently had the lowest average of any country in shootouts, just 0.28 seconds. This has now changed. Against the Swiss, Toney (swiss Toney )waited 7 seconds, TAA 6.5 seconds, and Saka a full 8 seconds. Just using a moment to take a breath has been producing results. Good to see the small details and psychology that has been going into giving us that slightly better chance.

It's a long way from frantically asking players who've never taken before if they fancy one.

 

[Easy 10]

If you've seen Dear England, this comes up in the play!

No, I haven't seen it. Its not something I'd ever picked up on till I read about it in the last week or so.
Got to give Southgate his dues, we've won 3 out of 4 shootouts under him so far. Small details can help make such a difference.

 

[Affy]

I'd say NO, on the following logic:

The angles become different (slightly narrower from further out). If you practice 100 penalties from 13 yards, placing them just inside the post, then that same kick of the ball, repeated from 12 yards, will see the ball enter the goal a foot or two inside the post - and thus more saveable.

But, Toney's record is ridiculously good, so who is anyone to question his methods.?

Maybe he practices brushing the outside of the post from 13 years knowing it will be the inside of the post from 12 yards

But that no looking at the ball is another level mind games.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I'd say NO, on the following logic:

I initially thought NO using the same logic, but frankly we're clearly wrong as it works for Toney.

My main thought on this topic is that "Genius, or dangerous?" isn't a YES/NO question.

 

[Simster]

My main thought on this topic is that "Genius, or dangerous?" isn't a YES/NO question.

Would you like me to MAP the Yes & No to Genius & dangerous so that you can understand the thread in the way everyone else has managed to?

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Would you like me to MAP the Yes & No to Genius & dangerous so that you can understand the thread in the way everyone else has managed to?

No.

 

[Easy 10]

Play nice, you two.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

Interested to read today that in training, Ivan Toney practices all his penalties from 13 yards instead of 12 so that psychologically, when it comes to the real thing, it feels slightly easier. Genius, or dangerous ?

YOU decide.

Just to engage slightly more seriously for a moment, it does (having drawn it out on software that's definitely intended for this purpose) work out to losing almost exactly a foot on each side if you take the penalty from an extra yard back.

I'd have thought that the benefits of feeling more settled and confident outweigh the risk of your muscle memory playing up - if you're inside the post by a foot it's pretty much unsaveable even if the goalie goes the right way.