Paul Ince, Steve Coppell and Gareth Southgate are f***ing thick

[CHAPPERS]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7143259.stm

Paul Ince says the likely appointment of Fabio Capello as England manager is a "sad indictment of English football".
MK Dons boss Ince is disappointed the Italian is poised to be confirmed as Steve McClaren's successor.

Gareth Southgate and Steve Coppell are other English managers unhappy that the job has not gone to a compatriot.

"It's a sad indictment on English football that we've got to go to Europe for a manager," Ince told Saturday's Football Focus programme.


Interview: Former England player Paul Ince

"We have got enough managers in England who could do just as good a job."

The former England captain has made a promising start to his managerial career, saving Macclesfield from relegation last season before leading MK Dons to the League Two summit this time round.

Ince, who won 53 caps, has been linked with a number of high-profile posts, including the recent vacancy at Premier League side Derby, but he is not optimistic about the chances of a compatriot managing his country in the near future.


BBC Sport's Phil McNulty

"In English football we say you've got to get your qualifications, you've got to do this, you've got to get that," said Ince.

"But when you build your CV up and they go out and get a foreign manager, sometimes you think, 'what's the point?'"

The 40-year-old added: "In time we're going to get to the stage - whether it's two years, three or four years - that Fabio might go and we've got to have a ready-made replacement for him and it's got to be English."

There have been plenty of high-profile figures within football ready to give their backing to the 61-year-old Italian.

Ex-England coach Eriksson, Tottenham boss Juande Ramos, Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez and England midfielder Frank Lampard are among Capello's supporters.

"He is a very good man and manager," said Eriksson. "His record speaks very clear. He has won titles in Italy and is one of the best managers you can find."

But although Middlesbrough boss Southgate backed Sweden's Sven-Goran Eriksson when he took the job in 2001, he has had a change of heart regarding foreign managers of England.

"When I played (for England) under Sven I felt it was all right to have a foreign coach but I have changed my mind since then," said Southgate.



"I don't think an England team should be coached by anyone other than an Englishman."

Reading manager and former England international Coppell agreed.

"I am sad," said Coppell. "I am a proud English manager and would have loved an Englishman to have been in charge.

"You look at the list of contenders and what he (Capello) has done ticks all the boxes but I just wish he was English.

"We have now created a situation where it is very hard for an English manager to get to the top of the tree."

Former England captain Tony Adams, now working under Harry Redknapp at Portsmouth and linked to a backroom post with England, reiterated that view.

"I've got no argument with Capello's CV, it's a fantastic CV," said Adams.

"I'm a massive admirer of his but I still wouldn't have had him as England manager because I just wanted an Englishman to take this country forward."

And Mark Hughes, who was in charge of his native Wales before taking over at Blackburn in 2004, said: "The longer it goes on that the top jobs go to foreign coaches, the more difficult it will become for English and British coaches to get the big jobs in the future.

"I am disappointed for British coaches because another huge opportunity has been given to a foreign manager."

I don't get it. No English manager has anything NEAR the quality of Capello's cv and, at the end of the day, that's what is going to get you the job. I can't imagine anyone would be complaining if Mourinho had got the job. People need to pipe down and realise that the English management style does not cut it at International level. Until an English manager has won the Champions League or even the f***ing Premiership they will not have come close to being good enough to take on the national side. I'd LOVE to hear who these twats think could take the job out of the English managers.

Redknapp? Bungs coming out of his arse.
Allardyce? Yep, doing a great job at Newcastle.
Curbishly? Don't nothing.
Southgate? Don't make me laugh.

 

[Mendoza]

Redknapp? Bungs coming out of his arse.
Allardyce? Yep, doing a great job at Newcastle.
Curbishly? Don't nothing.
Southgate? Don't make me laugh.

After that comes

Pearce? didnt cut it Man City, England Under 21's even Peter Taylor got them unbeaten in 2 years
Shearer? never managed on Champ Manager let alone a real life team
Ince? Great in the BOTTOM tier of English football in his first 2 jobs

 

[Eggmundo]

They have a point.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Why don't we produce enough decent managers? Is it because a lot of players do not necessarily need to work within football after they retire? Most of the 'top level' players do not need to work again or certainly not cut their teeth in management.

 

[Mendoza]

I guess the point should be you have to be of that nationality to PLAY for that country, but you dont need to be if you want to MANAGE/COACH/PHYSIO for a country.

Maybe it should be every position from players to manager, to backroom staff should be of the same nationality, BUT if we want to be the BEST we have to appoint abroad!!

 

[Uncle Buck]

I am enjoying the fact that the FA are insisting that an Englishman be included in the staff, pressumably to be mentored as the successor.

The FA did this with Sven as well and he appointed David Platt, well that worked out well...

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I am enjoying the fact that the FA are insisting that an Englishman be included in the staff, pressumably to be mentored as the successor.

The FA did this with Sven as well and he appointed David Platt, well that worked out well...

This is a joke, The best team should be put together and sadly for the small minded this seems for some reason to include Shearer or Pearce.

 

[Nemesis]

They have a point.

They need a point-a f***ing large one shoved up their collective backsides.

All of them incapable of being considered for managing one of the top clubs, yet alone the national side but they know what is good for English football?

Maybe the appointment of Capello will finally wake up people running our clubs and national game. We are not a world power in football any more and haven't been for ages yet the people in charge have been ignoring the warnings-now comes the realisation that there isn't one Englishman capable of managing the England team to the standards required to win a major tournament.

Now we get the likes of Ince spouting his mouth off -what a twat. He thinks that getting coaching qualifications is enough to be considered for the post? And Tony Adams would have liked an English manager to take this country forward. Err, we've been doing that for decades and that really worked you booze soaked moron. When will these people understand that football has moved on in a direction that British football has been reluctant to go in and we're now paying the price of missing out on the Euros when we should have qualified with ease.

I hope the Capello revolution filters down throughout football in this country because it needs a serious overhaul.

 

[Mendoza]

I am enjoying the fact that the FA are insisting that an Englishman be included in the staff, pressumably to be mentored as the successor.

The FA did this with Sven as well and he appointed David Platt, well that worked out well...

The last Englishman we used to groom whilst having a foreign manager, to learn his trade, be bought up through the system to GLORY with the 1st team set up was STEVE MCCLAREN

lets do it someone else - BRILLIANT!!!

 

[London Calling]

Copell's coments are just based on wishing we had a good English manager, he knows more than most, that the big sides will probably reject him for the glamour of an international manager.

 

[DIFFBROOK]

If you are an English manager in the Premier League, currently you stand no chance of managing Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool etc. Why? Because those clubs want off the shelf proven manangers with European experience. So do the FA.

So if I were an English manager knowing that I satnd no chance of getting the top job, then surely the answer is to try and manager abroad. I appreciate that you wont get the top Barcelona job straight away, but if you think you are good, then go to a smaller European Club and get noticed. That way, at least you'll have it on your CV when applying for the Liverpools of FA.

Think about Curbishley and Alardyce. Both overlooked by the Fa because a lack of European experience, so what do they do.......Manage in England.

 

[sparkie]

This is a joke, The best team should be put together and sadly for the small minded this seems for some reason to include Shearer or Pearce.

Just so long as they stick to putting the cones out in training and no more...

 

[hans kraay fan club]

If you are an English manager in the Premier League, currently you stand no chance of managing Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool etc. Why? Because those clubs want off the shelf proven manangers with European experience. So do the FA.

So if I were an English manager knowing that I satnd no chance of getting the top job, then surely the answer is to try and manager abroad. I appreciate that you wont get the top Barcelona job straight away, but if you think you are good, then go to a smaller European Club and get noticed. That way, at least you'll have it on your CV when applying for the Liverpools of FA.

Think about Curbishley and Alardyce. Both overlooked by the Fa because a lack of European experience, so what do they do.......Manage in England.

Indeed. Why do they think they 'deserve a go'. they deserve f*** all. Go and earn it.

Be intersting to see how Chris Coleman gets on in San Sebastien.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Indeed. Why do they think they 'deserve a go'. they deserve f*** all. Go and earn it.

Be intersting to see how Chris Coleman gets on in San Sebastien.

He is failing in spain

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Maybe if Premiership Clubs (at the highest level) were in the ownership of English fans, we'd be bringing on English managers with the capabilities that are needed.

Instead, we have a philosophy that it's all about money - clubs should be owned by rich oligarchs, or - if PLCs - by corporate pension funds.

Crazy.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Maybe if Premiership Clubs (at the highest level) were in the ownership of English fans, we'd be bringing on English managers with the capabilities that are needed.

Instead, we have a philosophy that it's all about money - clubs should be owned by rich oligarchs, or - if PLCs - by corporate pension funds.

Crazy.

Maybe if English managers did well they would be given a chance?
Overseas managers are not just given top flight jobs they work up to the top, and when get a chance at a top club take it.

As for fans Ownership its not really done Brentford or Bournmouth much good has it?

 

[withdeanwombat]

It's the England team for allahs sake,and the team should have an England manager ,or it's an England XI rather than an England team.

Capello's cv may look wonderful,but his teams produce woeful football which is why he was SACKED by Real Madrid.They could suffer winning,but not how they won.

And he'll win nowt with England,and the FA will need another sackfull of money to see him and his mates on the Alitalia to Rome.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

It's the England team for allahs sake,and the team should have an England manager ,or it's an England XI rather than an England team.

Capello's cv may look wonderful,but his teams produce woeful football which is why he was SACKED by Real Madrid.They could suffer winning,but not how they won.

And he'll win nowt with England,and the FA will need another sackfull of money to see him and his mates on the Alitalia to Rome.

Where as Big Sams and Pearces football is a wonder to watch?

 

[Brighton Breezy]

There is not one English manager who has enjoyed anywhere near the success at a top level job which should be required to take on this job.

Sad but true.

Maybe if Premiership Clubs (at the highest level) were in the ownership of English fans, we'd be bringing on English managers with the capabilities that are needed.

Instead, we have a philosophy that it's all about money - clubs should be owned by rich oligarchs, or - if PLCs - by corporate pension funds.

Crazy.

I think if the clubs were in the ownership of English fans they would still want to appoint the best managers to bring their clubs SUCCESS which sadly would not be an ENGLISH manager.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

There is not one English manager who has enjoyed anywhere near the success at a top level job which should be required to take on this job.

Sad but true.



I think if the clubs were in the ownership of English fans they would still want to appoint the best managers to bring their clubs SUCCESS which sadly would not be an ENGLISH manager.

I agree, As I said earlier the problem is that Overseas managers tend to take there chances when take charge of Bigger clubs in this country when given it, our English managers dont.