Panorama - the Farage Factor

[Westdene Seagull]

Er no, people think they take spoilt papers or "none of the above" into account, they dont, they just get put in the bin

So you complain about the system but won't try and do anything about it ?

 

[portslade seagull]

Er no, people think they take spoilt papers or "none of the above" into account, they dont, they just get put in the bin

The last time I counted they were totalled up

 

[portslade seagull]

Thick as pigshit.

Soooo predictable adds so much to any debate

 

[nicko31]

Unfortunately your attitude seems representative of the main parties over the past twenty years. UKIP may or may not succeed in the election but the issues which motivate people to vote for a party like that will not simply go away at a whim. I would be more concerned that if UKIP totally fail, something worse, like the French national front, would replace them.

Sometimes the angels punish us by answering our prayers.

There is a confession here UKIP is essentially a middle class BNP

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Sure, and when he got home what type of people used to regularly pop in for tea?

At least the Miliband brothers went home for tea. Cameron only went home for the holidays.

 

[Caveman]

Farage is a Palace fan. Just saying.

I did not know this. it has now answered a lot of questions.

 

[lawros left foot]

UKIP. My Daughter is 19 and this is her first General Election. She has worked all her short life and takes nothing from the government in hand outs. Life and money for her is tough and she is 100% for UKIP. Just saying.

You must be so proud

 

[lawros left foot]

Unlike Milliband who went through private school, went on to Uni and STRAIGHT into the Labour party.

Sorry, you're wrong. Milliband went to a state primary school and a state comprehensive schhool. Primrose hill primary school, and Haverstock comp in Chalk Farm. However, he does support dirty Leeds

 

[Caveman]

At least the Miliband brothers went home for tea. Cameron only went home for the holidays.

I'm so unsure who to vote this time round. In the past I've been swayed labour due to their support of the Albion (crazy how football) can even sway your political vote?! Concern this time round is labour will = the jocks?!

Cons have the benefit of the turning the corner on recession etc.

Ukip won votes due to the public being disillusioned with the influx of immigrant and the country on the economic down turn + all the terror threats.

I've never been so indecisive.... Is it just me?

 

[looney]

Seriously, you need to be careful posting statements like that. Unless you have incontrovertible proof you could get yourself - and Bozza - into deep shit.

Having said that, even if Nigel Farage or his lawyers saw this - or more likely had it sent to him - he probably wouldn't do anything about it as the publicity would be bad.

But he might. And if he did he'd have a strong case. Personally, I wouldn't want to take that chance.

I think politics would imply moral corruption but your point would stand if it was business related.

 

[drew]

He's got far more of an insight than milliband , precisely because of his work in the city and the part in which he worked, which has far more people of a working class background than the research department of the Labour Party or a channel 4 politics show.

Now that is funny! On a scale of 1 to 100, if Miliband were on 2 then Farage might be pushing 5. By working class, I'm talking about families that struggle on the money they have, not some loadsofmoney oiks. What do you think they discussed in the bars around the exchanges?

 

[Soulman]

And Farage has no clue about working class life with his background and his work in the City. Neither of course does Cameron who also hasn't really had a proper job. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what people expect. Just because a politician has possibly worked in one particular sector of the economy isn't going to give them an insight into other sectors.

I think if you check out which politicians have worked in certain sectors, then UKIP would have many more candidates than Cons and Labour put together.

 

[cunning fergus]

At least the Miliband brothers went home for tea. Cameron only went home for the holidays.

That's true, then again both the Milibands and Cameron benefitted from their father's patronage and wealth.........one Dad was an capitalist and owned multiple properties, the other Dad was a capitalist that owned multiple properties but considered himself a Marxist.

I mean, a Marxist, owning property...........la propriete c'est le vol!

 

[Wrong-Direction]

So you complain about the system but won't try and do anything about it ?

That's my point, there's nothing we can do to change it, its too far gone now

 

[Wrong-Direction]

The number of spoilt papers are announced in the count.

Yes and then they're put in the bin.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes and then they're put in the bin.

Yes, they are, but not before each party has decided that they are spoiled. There are papers where it isn't clear which candidate actually has a mark, so each candidate views the papers and decides with the counter what is spoiled and what is a valid vote. It is a good way of getting your message across if you want to. One local election I wrote across the paper 'None of these candidates is fit to stand for election'. I knew all three personally.

 

[Cadiz Seagull]

Wake up and smell the coffee! The whole systems corrupt you numpty!

Did I say it wasn't? Actually, I don't believe it is, that's a huge over generalisation that's an easy argument to make. But that wasn't my point.

My point was that posting a comment on a public board such as the one on here lays the poster - and the owner of the board - open to potential legal action.

I'm not saying the poster is wrong, I have no idea (like the poster, I suspect); I was just pointing out that posting a comment like that in a public forum could backfire on him. Like it or not, that's the law. As Bozza has pointed out many times.

 

[drew]

I think if you check out which politicians have worked in certain sectors, then UKIP would have many more candidates than Cons and Labour put together.

I take it you have already done this research then so perhaps you could share the statistics.

 

[Gwylan]

That's true, then again both the Milibands and Cameron benefitted from their father's patronage and wealth.........one Dad was an capitalist and owned multiple properties, the other Dad was a capitalist that owned multiple properties but considered himself a Marxist.

I mean, a Marxist, owning property...........la propriete c'est le vol!

You've got your thinkers mixed up. It was not Marx who said property was theft, but Proudhon. Marx had no problem with personal property. "We by no means intend to abolish this personal appropriation of the products of labour, an appropriation that is made for the maintenance and reproduction of human life, and that leaves no surplus wherewith to command the labour of others," he said in The Communist Manifesto. What he objected to was "bourgeois" property designed to create wealth - buy-to-let landlords in other words.

BTW, I can't any evidence that Ralph Miliband was a multiple property owner. The Daily Mail did several hatchet jobs on him, talking up his wealth but he struck lucky with one house in a desirable area. That's what happened in London

A friend of mine's dad was a plumber who bought a 4-bed house in Fulham in the 50s. At the time it was a cheap area, he sold it in the 90s for a small fortune - he'd have been surprised to see himself described as a millionaire, although that's what he was. Blame it on the distortion of the London market

 

[cunning fergus]

You've got your thinkers mixed up. It was not Marx who said property was theft, but Proudhon. Marx had no problem with personal property. "We by no means intend to abolish this personal appropriation of the products of labour, an appropriation that is made for the maintenance and reproduction of human life, and that leaves no surplus wherewith to command the labour of others," he said in The Communist Manifesto. What he objected to was "bourgeois" property designed to create wealth - buy-to-let landlords in other words.

BTW, I can't any evidence that Ralph Miliband was a multiple property owner. The Daily Mail did several hatchet jobs on him, talking up his wealth but he struck lucky with one house in a desirable area. That's what happened in London

A friend of mine's dad was a plumber who bought a 4-bed house in Fulham in the 50s. At the time it was a cheap area, he sold it in the 90s for a small fortune - he'd have been surprised to see himself described as a millionaire, although that's what he was. Blame it on the distortion of the London market

Fair shout, but my point is (and hence why I used it) is that Proudhon’s famous statement is the underlying essence of marxist doctrine, to quote Chapter II of the Manifesto…..

“The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property. But modern bourgeois private property is the final and most complete expression of the system of producing and appropriating products, that is based on class antagonisms, on the exploitation of the many by the few.

In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.”

I think you are seriously twisting marxist ideology if you think that Marx would have been in favour of private property generally as long as it was not for use as a landlord………………that line of thought would indicate (for example) that he would have been in favour of Thatcher’s policy selling off council houses to the predominantly working classes in the 70s and 80s as long as they did not become landlords. We know the answer to that don’t we?

My understanding is that they had country retreat in Oxfordshire.................do you think this is a media myth? Its never been denied by the Milibands.

Your mate Dad was nevertheless a capitalist……………Bob Crow earned a six figure salary and still lived in a council house. You can’t argue about his commitment to his political ideals………………not like others.

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