Panorama - BBC 10:15

[Beach Hut]

So that is still an excuse for Rangers fans to large it or have I got it hopelessly wrong ?

 

[Cian]

The song thats on now is the English language version of our national anthem, BTW (the one starting "Soldiers are We". Its worse and more nationalisticly crap than GSTQ.

 

[Beach Hut]

The song thats on now is the English language version of our national anthem, BTW (the one starting "Soldiers are We". Its worse and more nationalisticly crap than GSTQ.

That is the English version of the Eire national anthem ?

 

[Cian]

So that is still an excuse for Rangers fans to large it or have I got it hopelessly wrong ?

Basically, its their ONLY reason to large it up - considering scottish surveys show that the catholics earn more than the protestants and go further in education....
(census figures, CSO figures, etc)

 

[Cian]

That is the English version of the Eire national anthem ?

Well, Eire's not a country, but it is the English Language version of the national anthem of the Republic of Ireland.

Which we've planned to replace for years but never have. Hence the IRFU making their own new one - Irelands Call - in 1995

 

[Beach Hut]

If anyone is reading this excuse my total ignorance I really did not understand what is the issue.

Seems totally absurd for this to go in.

Would we have an inbred hatred of CPFC from 400 years ago ?

I think not just some lively banter and the odd kick off.

This is serious hatred way over the top.

 

[Cian]

a 16 year old kid attacked by Celtic fans for wearing blue.... when he's a Celtic fan...

 

[Beach Hut]

Well, Eire's not a country, but it is the English Language version of the national anthem of the Republic of Ireland.

Which we've planned to replace for years but never have. Hence the IRFU making their own new one - Irelands Call - in 1995

OK so why do Rangers fans seem to have Northern Ireland flags wrapped round them ?

Northern Ireland is part of the UK not Eire.

 

[clapham_gull]

Basically (what I can remember) We threw James II for his catholic faith - he fled to France. We got William of Orange over from what now is Holland to be King (he was married to James daughter Mary).

This was known as the "Glorious Revolution"

James assembled an Army in Ireland, William fought him and won at the battle of the boyne.

The slant I was taught was although William was protestant, he took the English crown because he wanted our cash to fight his old enemy the French. He was actually an ally of the Pope.

 

[Cian]

OK so why do Rangers fans seem to have Northern Ireland flags wrapped round them ?

Northern Ireland is part of the UK not Eire.

Could you PLEASE stop saying Eire? Thanks

Rangers fans, no matter where they are from, assuming that they'll incite Irish people by using the official flag of Northern Ireland - when the Union Jack would be far worse.

Celtic fans do the same with the Tricolour.

 

[Beach Hut]

Could you PLEASE stop saying Eire? Thanks

Rangers fans, no matter where they are from, assuming that they'll incite Irish people by using the official flag of Northern Ireland - when the Union Jack would be far worse.

Celtic fans do the same with the Tricolour.

OK I'll forget the E word

Amazing situation which seems locked in a timeless hatred that really should move on.

 

[Cian]

If you were watching the BBC region I get, you'd now see virtually the same fight without the football - Alex Maskey (SF) versus some DUP'er over wheter the IRA is criminal or not



I'm thankful that this crap -stops- at the border. Even 100m the other side, people down here don't want to know about it.

 

[fatboy]

Is the official flag of Northern Ireland the Union Flag (Jack)?

 

[Cian]

Is the official flag of Northern Ireland the Union Flag (Jack)?

The Union Flag is the official flag of the United Kingdom, the Red Hand Of Ulster is the official flag of Northern Ireland

So, both are.

 

[Beach Hut]

Is the official flag of Northern Ireland the Union Flag (Jack)?

Debatable as it is but it could be the St George flag as well

 

[Cian]

Actually just checked this, and it seems the UK don't recognise the Red Hand but the NI Executive *do*.

So the Union Jack is the official official flag. Believe who you want on the red hand.

 

[Gully]

That is true MYOB, about the crap that is. I used to go to Ireland every year as a kid to visit my grandparents, and used to hang around with the next door neighbours children. I understood that they were Roman Catholic because they went to mass every Sunday but that my family weren't and that as they say was that, there was never any suggestion that we should not be friends because our familys came from "different traditions", I do not believe that this would have been the case in most of Northern Ireland at that time, or in the West of Scotland today.

 

[Cian]

Debatable as it is but it could be the St George flag as well

Its definately not the Georges Cross. The Red Hand *resembles* the Georges Cross, but you have to remember that until the 1950's it was usually on yellow not white.

 

[Beach Hut]

Its definately not the Georges Cross. The Red Hand *resembles* the Georges Cross, but you have to remember that until the 1950's it was usually on yellow not white.

Correct I meant to add with that funny hand bit etc

 

[Cian]

That is true MYOB, about the crap that is. I used to go to Ireland every year as a kid to visit my grandparents, and used to hang around with the next door neighbours children. I understood that they were Roman Catholic because they went to mass every Sunday but that my family weren't and that as they say was that, there was never any suggestion that we should not be friends because our familys came from "different traditions", I do not believe that this would have been the case in most of Northern Ireland at that time, or in the West of Scotland today.

I doubt I'd be accepted by the majority or NI or Scotland based Celtic fans, due to not being a Catholic - nobody in my family but my mother is. Its that bloody secterian

I've not been to Parkhead in about 5 years. I don't intend to go there again.