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Oscar Pistorius



cjd

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Jun 22, 2006
6,304
La Rochelle
Looks like it could get messy when it is his turn on the 'stand'.

Throwing up in court when he just has to listen to evidence.
 








Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
30,452
Hove
I still can't get my head around no jury. In this day and age, how can a justice system in a democracy work like this!?
 








HawkTheSeagull

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Jan 31, 2012
9,122
Eastbourne
He shot her. Why must we have sympathy with the man?

Because (if his side of the story is actually correct) then he has pretty much ruined his life through an awful decision and killed his partner in the process.

Im undecided whether he did intentionally shoot her or not, if found not guilty - then i may well have sympathy with him. If guilty - throw the book at him.
 


Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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Because (if his side of the story is actually correct) then he has pretty much ruined his life through an awful decision and killed his partner in the process.

Im undecided whether he did intentionally shoot her or not, if found not guilty - then i may well have sympathy with him. If guilty - throw the book at him.

He shot to kill with unreasonable force whoever he thought was in that bathroom.
 




KZNSeagull

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Nov 26, 2007
21,086
Wolsingham, County Durham
Because (if his side of the story is actually correct) then he has pretty much ruined his life through an awful decision and killed his partner in the process.

Im undecided whether he did intentionally shoot her or not, if found not guilty - then i may well have sympathy with him. If guilty - throw the book at him.

At best, he did not check where she was and he shot blindly, seemingly without warning, through a locked toilet door. I have no sympathy for anyone who acts so recklessly.
 




vulture

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Jul 26, 2004
16,515
Guilty as hell. Shot the poor girl in a jealous rage. He hasn't got a leg to stand on in court.
 




Titanic

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Jul 5, 2003
39,906
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At best, he did not check where she was and he shot blindly, seemingly without warning, through a locked toilet door. I have no sympathy for anyone who acts so recklessly.

Presumably that is a criminal offence punishable by a prison sentence... even in South Africa?
 




Gullflyinghigh

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Apr 23, 2012
4,279
He shot to kill with unreasonable force whoever he thought was in that bathroom.

Is shooting to kill when being burgled considered unreasonable force in SA? Not being facetious, I just genuinely don't know considering the different attitudes between here and there.

Regardless of that, killing an unnamed intruder intentionally and your partner unintentionally are going to be worlds apart in terms of psychological impact. If nothing else, you make a conscious decision to actually go for the house invader.

I should add, I've genuinely no idea if he's guilty, nor would I want to guess at it now. If he turns out to be innocent then it's an incredibly sad situation for all concerned, espcially the poor girl's family, who wouldn't be being unreasonable if they felt that their daughter's death (and causes) was being overshadowed by the 'showbiz' element of the trial.
 






Lady Whistledown

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Jul 7, 2003
47,625
Guilty as hell. Shot the poor girl in a jealous rage. He hasn't got a leg to stand on in court.

Ahh, rolling out the old amputee jokes. Original.
 




KZNSeagull

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Nov 26, 2007
21,086
Wolsingham, County Durham
Is shooting to kill when being burgled considered unreasonable force in SA? Not being facetious, I just genuinely don't know considering the different attitudes between here and there.

It depends on the circumstances. There is a short article here about it http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/how-the-law-views-killing-a-burglar-1.1471280#.Ux2wEz-SySo

My interpretation of that article is that in Oscar's case no, it is not reasonable, essentially because he was in a secure estate, where the chances of a burglar entering his property were very small.
 




Gullflyinghigh

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Apr 23, 2012
4,279
It depends on the circumstances. There is a short article here about it http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/how-the-law-views-killing-a-burglar-1.1471280#.Ux2wEz-SySo

My interpretation of that article is that in Oscar's case no, it is not reasonable, essentially because he was in a secure estate, where the chances of a burglar entering his property were very small.

I'n not able to read that at the minute but definitely will later, thank you for pointing it out.

Without me having read the article, so this could be way off, you're only able to justifiably kill an intruder if you live in a dodgy area?

That does sound bizarre, surely you're not likely to attract a higher class of criminal on a secure estate, just a better one (they got on the estate affer all). Once a criminal's in your house, they're in, external security doesn't really mean a lot at that point surely?
 


KZNSeagull

Well-known member
Nov 26, 2007
21,086
Wolsingham, County Durham
Is shooting to kill when being burgled considered unreasonable force in SA? Not being facetious, I just genuinely don't know considering the different attitudes between here and there.

Another thing that should go against him is that the pathologist has revealed today that the ammo used was called Black Talon (or Ranger), which is designed to flatten on impact causing maximum damage. So his ammo was designed to kill, not stop.
 


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