No country that does this is civilised, IMHO

[Man of Harveys]

"It's not working!" Nice.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060502/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_crime_execution_ohio

 

[Starry]

I was listening to this on the radio last night. They had a reporter and a member of the public who had been in the execution room and heard it all. Dear God.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Being a 'super' nation, they must set an example.

They are no more civilised than the Cannibals that operated in Fiji.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

He wasn't that civilised either.

 

[surrey jim]

Curtains were closed to block witnesses' view until technicians found a vein in his other arm. They were then parted to reveal him dying, witnesses said.

nice

 

[Man of Harveys]

He wasn't that civilised either.

True, he wasn't. But surely killing people brutally can't be THAT wrong if even the state is happy to legitimise it?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

He wasn't that civilised either.

But do two wrongs make a right?

Why is it illegal to kill a prisoner taken in war, but not out of society? They run along similar parallels....

 

[Napper]

On January 13, 1984, Clark shot Marine reservist and father of two David Manning and stole $65 (35.4 pounds) from the gas station where Manning was working.

The murder came during an eight-day crime spree in which Clark also murdered another man, student Donald Harris, and wounded a third man during an attempted robbery.

Harris was filling in for a friend at a convenience store when Clark entered and demanded the contents of the store's safe. Harris said he did not know the safe's combination, and was shot in the back of the head.


sounds justified to me !

 

[Gritt23]

I don't understand your point. Am I supposed to feel sorry for the man who killed innocent people, wh0o destroyed the lives of the families around the victims, left children growing up without a father?

They have the death penalty in Ohio for muder, he was a muder, and his punishment was death. Fair enough.

 

[Gritt23]

But do two wrongs make a right?

Why is it illegal to kill a prisoner taken in war, but not out of society? They run along similar parallels....

The prisoner taken in war is deemed to be acting on the orders of others.

A murderer has made his own decision.


Can you honestly not see the difference between a murder in society and death caused in war?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I was trying to play devils advocate. You can get onto War crimes and whether it is right that someone like Goerrhing should have been sentenced to death etc.

I am not saying that it is completely unjustified that he was killed, but the manner in which he was killed as well.

I am not a great fan of the death penalty. People may deserve it, but I believe that it is wrong.

 

[Gritt23]

I find it upsetting that we don't have the death penalty over here. Tell me what other sentence these two deserve?

Scum

 

[Lammy]

I know I shouldn't but this made me laugh

"After he was arrested, Clark tried to hang himself in his jail cell, and confessed to the murders while recovering in a hospital. He was sentenced to death for Manning's murder."

Ohhh the irony.

 

[Lammy]

I find it upsetting that we don't have the death penalty over here. Tell me what other sentence these two deserve?

Scum

It's a knee-jerk reaction to simply want to kill these people. If you give the matter a little more thought you could come up with far worse than that.

For my money I'd like to abolish the seggregation of inmates. Stick 'em in with the armed robbers for example.

 

[Man of Harveys]

It's quite simple really: if you accept that killing people is wrong (as I do) then it's bad for the state to do too. I firmly believe that the state and the mechanism of justice has no right and to decide to end someone's life as an end in itself (obviously wars etc. are different - killing people is not the AIM of them: achieving strategic aims is).

And please, spare us a list of hideous crimes that have been committed. Not one of them will ever convince me at least that my tax money being used to end someone's life would be a good thing.

 

[Lammy]

It's quite simple really: if you accept that killing people is wrong (as I do) then it's bad for the state to do too. I firmly believe that the state and the mechanism of justice has no right and to decide to end someone's life as an end in itself (obviously wars etc. are different - killing people is not the AIM of them: achieving strategic aims is).

And please, spare us a list of hideous crimes that have been committed. Not one of them will ever convince me at least that my tax money being used to end someone's life would be a good thing.

what he said.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The ultimate point is does the death penalty act as a deterant and reduce murders in the countries they are imposed and the answer is

NO.

 

[Lammy]

The ultimate point is does the death penalty act as a deterant and reduce murders in the countries they are imposed and the answer is

NO.

I have to say that even if it did I'm not sure I would agree with it. Like MoH says, it's a moral issue. It's effectiveness as a punishment/deterrent are irrelevant.

No one has the right to decide who lives or dies.

 

[Barnet Seagull]

I'm not a fan of the death penalty, neither am I fan of life imprisonment, both IMHO are inhumane.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

If we had a vote here I would vote NO to the death penalty. Leave that to the Dark ages and the Middle East ( oops how unpc of me ).