[News] NHS CV19 tracing app.

[portlock seagull]

Yep, I still do not have to serve people I don’t want to, and I don’t have to give a reason.

As it happens, I have served a gentleman this morning who has health problems and is carrying an authentic exemption lanyard. I know this fella, I know his exemption is valid.
I will not serve people who I believe either have false exemption credentials, or have ‘left them at home’

Sue me.

Please please give them a reason! It being “Mr Crusoe I presume? That or you’re a selfish irresponsible dick who literally wants to kill my business and I. Now, feck off. Go on, off you feck” Or another such reason

 

[beorhthelm]

That’s why we need, sorry to say, more healthy youngsters between say 18 and 35 bracket to die.

dont be an idiot. there's plenty in other age groups who dont think they need to abide rules, dont have to wear masks properly and so on.

 

[portlock seagull]

One thing they can be relied on is for older generations blaming the ones that come after them.

Ironically, your cliche is as well used as you infer mine to be. In many instances it can be true. Entirely different in this unprecedented situation we find ourselves in. Most of the elderly have been largely hiding behind their front doors for a lot of this year if not nearly all of it, so that screws your theory up immediately. The other spanner is to use your eyes. And if that’s still not enough, read, listen or watch the very many professionals, politicians and commentators saying the same thing from detailed observations. Don’t kill granny and such like. Anyway, point is, if COVID wasn’t seen as some old aged cull, a lot more younger people wouldn’t be so complacent and would follow the rules. For once, Bournemouth beach and promenade wasn’t full of pensioners during the lockdown earlier this year. All the tv pictures showed thousands of young people floating advice and ignoring authorities. Unless, of course this was all fake news, Trump style and didn’t really happen.

 

[portlock seagull]

dont be an idiot. there's plenty in other age groups who dont think they need to abide rules, dont have to wear masks properly and so on.

I said that too. Why didn’t you quote what I’d written immediately before your edit. Ow, because it doesn’t fit your desire to have a pop. And I’m the idiot?!

 

[Bold Seagull]

Ironically, your cliche is as well used as you infer mine to be. In many instances it can be true. Entirely different in this unprecedented situation we find ourselves in. Most of the elderly have been largely hiding behind their front doors for a lot of this year if not nearly all of it, so that screws your theory up immediately. The other spanner is to use your eyes. And if that’s still not enough, read, listen or watch the very many professionals, politicians and commentators saying the same thing from detailed observations. Don’t kill granny and such like. Anyway, point is, if COVID wasn’t seen as some old aged cull, a lot more younger people wouldn’t be so complacent and would follow the rules. For once, Bournemouth beach and promenade wasn’t full of pensioners during the lockdown earlier this year. All the tv pictures showed thousands of young people floating advice and ignoring authorities. Unless, of course this was all fake news, Trump style and didn’t really happen.

That's a load of BS really. The most public of rule breakers were the likes of Prof. Ferguson, Cummins, other MPs etc. and a generation of 40+ year olds who think they are above everyone else because the world is theirs. Bournemouth beach had more 40+ as it did any other age demographic. The TV pictures show thousands of people from kids to families, to older people. perhaps you only saw what you wanted to see. You made the point regarding 18-35, forget pensioners, are you say the 35-65 bracket has been immaculately behaved?

So we open the bars, the pubs, we encourage getting back to normal, we open the universities, the halls of residences, send the young back to school, college etc. and, wait for it, it's their fault it's start to spread again. Funny how much criticism should be laid at our policy makers, but much better to take it out on the young.

 

[portlock seagull]

That's a load of BS really. The most public of rule breakers were the likes of Prof. Ferguson, Cummins, other MPs etc. and a generation of 40+ year olds who think they are above everyone else because the world is theirs. Bournemouth beach had more 40+ as it did any other age demographic. The TV pictures show thousands of people from kids to families, to older people. perhaps you only saw what you wanted to see. You made the point regarding 18-35, forget pensioners, are you say the 35-65 bracket has been immaculately behaved?

So we open the bars, the pubs, we encourage getting back to normal, we open the universities, the halls of residences, send the young back to school, college etc. and, wait for it, it's their fault it's start to spread again. Funny how much criticism should be laid at our policy makers, but much better to take it out on the young.

Selective reading once again. I made it perfectly clear every age group has its culprits. If I say 18-35, you’re the irritating type and so predictable too, that idiotically replies with ‘plenty of 36 year olds....so if I wrote 18 to 45, you’d say ‘but I know 46year olds...’ Sake man, grow up. The point was and is incontestably right that the younger age groups have quite NATURALLY been less considerate. Because of the reasons given. That is NOT to say everyone else has been perfectly responsible. As, for the rest of your drivel to make an entirely different point, I’m not going there. It’s irrelevant. Nothing to do with original point.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Selective reading once again. I made it perfectly clear every age group has its culprits. If I say 18-35, you’re the irritating type and so predictable too, that idiotically replies with ‘plenty of 36 year olds....so if I wrote 18 to 45, you’d say ‘but I know 46year olds...’ Sake man, grow up. The point was and is incontestably right that the younger age groups have quite NATURALLY been less considerate. Because of the reasons given. That is NOT to say everyone else has been perfectly responsible. As, for the rest of your drivel to make an entirely different point, I’m not going there. It’s irrelevant. Nothing to do with original point.

It's pretty clear what your post was about. I didn't counter with specifics, so that is just strawman. If you want reference to 'idiotic', 'drivel' etc. the opening sentence has it all. If you honestly thought you were making a reasonable point with this, then good luck with that, wasn't the only one to pick up on it either.

That’s why we need, sorry to say, more healthy youngsters between say 18 and 35 bracket to die. Whilst every age group isn’t perfect, there are certainly more in this range who frankly need a kick up the arse after a generation of entitled behaviour.

 

[portlock seagull]

It's pretty clear what your post was about. I didn't counter with specifics, so that is just strawman. If you want reference to 'idiotic', 'drivel' etc. the opening sentence has it all. If you honestly thought you were making a reasonable point with this, then good luck with that, wasn't the only one to pick up on it either.

What are you doing now, keeping some sort of score?! What, it’s 2-1? Said what I did. A general point that’s generally correct and generally shared. Perhaps not for the predictably precious though.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Have you actually downloaded the App ?

 

[jessiejames]

By law, I don’t have to let them enter my business and, potentially put my other customers or staff at risk .
I think this is what will happen now, if they can’t wear either a face covering or a face shield, they can stay away.
It takes no more than a minute to come into my cafe and sit down, if they can’t abide by the rules for that small amount of time, I don’t think they should be out of their homes.

Discrimination is against the law.

 

[Driver8]

Discrimination is against the law.

Only against certain people.


It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of:
age
gender reassignment
being married or in a civil partnership
being pregnant or on maternity leave
disability
race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin
religion or belief
sex
sexual orientation
These are called 'protected characteristics'.
You're protected from discrimination:
at work
in education
as a consumer
when using public services
when buying or renting property
as a member or guest of a private club or association

 

[Saunders]

large slice of irony, "The Google-Apple API is privacy preserving" while Apple and Google OS tracks every ones every movement

he'd have a fit if he thought about every club, society, small charity, that keep details about members.

It tracks it but doesnt share it with anybody that is why it is privacy preserving.

 

[jessiejames]

and they would have an exemption, which they can show.

As I said earlier, I have an exemption certificate which I use to carry with me, only ever asked once to show it, I did then was told that it was fake as per my post earlier. What I hate is that the two other times that I have been in a shop without a mask is the sly comments and looks. Now I just wear a mask if I go out, so in a way I am doing my bit.

I just find it sad people are so easy to have a go because it looks like others not conforming to guidelines without knowing the facts.

 

[trueblue]

Morally, I feel I really ought to. Realistically, I can’t. From everything I’ve read, the app is nowhere near accurate enough for me to risk being told I need to self-isolate for 14 days. Having had no meaningful Government support throughout, I can’t just write off 2 weeks’ work unless there’s a cast iron reason.

 

[CaergybiGull]

... but do you check out at the end?

Yes but you're not allowed to leave.

 

[Sorrel]

I wonder how effective the app is going to be. I had it on the last couple of days travelling into London and back, but 95% of the time I'm not that close to anyone for more than a few seconds, so nothing will happen. It potentially could when I was on a slightly more packed train on the way back, so I may have been within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes.

Incidentally, I I'm finding London very pleasant at the moment with the fewer people out and about. Not great for the survival of much of the commuting infrastructure, of course, though. I also suspect that those who are worried about the disease have not gone in to the centre because it was a great deal more chilled than it is where I live in Sussex. Where I live people regularly cross the road if I'm walking on the pavement towards them, where in London I've not really noticed that kind of behaviour.

 

[CaergybiGull]

[Focusing on the important bit]

Ironically, your cliche is as well used as you infer mine to be.

To be fair, he implied, you inferred.

As you were.[/focusing on the important bit]

 

[lawros left foot]

Discrimination is against the law.

Can shop-owners and staff refuse entry if I am not wearing a face covering?

Shop owners and staff themselves can call the police to enforce the rule or refuse the person entry. However all passenger train companies recognise the Sunflower lanyard and even if someone is not wearing one but is exempt, they would not be refused travel.

Will I be fined for not wearing a face covering?

In England and Scotland, those who do not adhere to the rules face a fine of up to £100. It will be reduced to £50 if paid within 14 days.

Compulsory mask-wearing will be enforced by police, according to the government, rather than shop owners and staff themselves, who can call the police or refuse the person entry.

 

[jessiejames]

Only against certain people.


It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of:
age
gender reassignment
being married or in a civil partnership
being pregnant or on maternity leave
disability
race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin
religion or belief
sex
sexual orientation
These are called 'protected characteristics'.
You're protected from discrimination:
at work
in education
as a consumer
when using public services
when buying or renting property
as a member or guest of a private club or association

To have an exemption from wearing a mask, you have a disability, so to refuse to serve someone with a disability is against the law.

 

[Bold Seagull]

What are you doing now, keeping some sort of score?! What, it’s 2-1? Said what I did. A general point that’s generally correct and generally shared. Perhaps not for the predictably precious though.

Jesus, just can’t put your hand up can you. And you’re calling someone else precious.