[Film] Next James Bond?

[Binney on acid]

Boris would make a good Bond. Michael Crawford is too old for the part.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Wrong. Just because its fiction doesn't mean it doesn't have its own established characters, worlds and customs within it.

Just because Star Trek is fiction doesn't mean you can go and make Dr Spock a Klingon who thinks rashly. That's just screwing with an established character because the writer is a wanker.

M was never a women. Money Penny was never a former field agent. Bond has been 7 different actors.

If you're not going to treat Bond with any creative license, you may as well stop because we've already gone well beyond Fleming's oeuvre.

Incidently, Fleming didn't write Bond to be Scottish until after Dr No. was released in You Only Live Twice. These writers screwing with established characters.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

He gets my doris leaking like a busted fridge.

Ditto with Mrs WS and she's already a James Bond Super Fan - god help me if Hemsworth gets it.

 

[Swansman]

He's always been a white Scotsman.

We know why he's like he is now. It's called shit writers with agendas.

Actually, I believe you might be the one with an agenda.

The ones - mainly you and the TugWilson bloke - arguing that a black James Bond would be some kind of disaster for a character who has already changed beyond recognition, are also people who strangely enough seem to have a real problem with women and non-white people (actually, you guys seem to have a problem with anyone not being a right-wing middle aged white man) in general.

 

[Baldseagull]

I find it amazing that after 25 or so films , films watched and loved all over the world , and which unless you have lived in a cave for the past 50 years know exactly who and what to expect from James Bond , there appears this unfathomable belief that he should now be a different race,gender or sexual orientation . WHY ??

Not that there should be a change on "race", just no reason there should not be. I think the character should remain male, but it would not bother me so much if someone decided to make the Bond character a female, so long as she was still womanising, kick arse, and stylish.
Last time around there were people concerned about Craig, as he is blonde and not quite so handsome, turned out to be one of the best Bonds ever in my opinion.
The Bond movies have evolved, try it yourself, you might like it.

 

[TugWilson]

Not that there should be a change on "race", just no reason there should not be. I think the character should remain male, but it would not bother me so much if someone decided to make the Bond character a female, so long as she was still womanising, kick arse, and stylish.
Last time around there were people concerned about Craig, as he is blonde and not quite so handsome, turned out to be one of the best Bonds ever in my opinion.
The Bond movies have evolved, try it yourself, you might like it.

Evolved you say , what like Ghostbusters with Melissa McCarthy , change does not equal evolution , we could play in Red and Blue would that be evolving or as i believe ruin our identity . Bond is a white male , he has been since the beginning - that is his identity , and as with our magnificent Blue and white stripes ....it works perfectly !

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

The first Bond film was released about 60 years ago wasn't it? Which would make bond well into his 80's at least. It's not very reasonable to expect him to still be going on.

Craig's Bond was a prequel to the other Bond's wasn't it? Or at least Casino Royale was as it showed Bond getting his 00 status. But it was set 50 odd years after the first Bond film.

If we can all live with these 'facts' then surely we can live with Bond being played by a Black (or Asian!) actor?

The 007 identifier is certainly changeable, no? What if the next Bond film had a character achieve double o status, is given the number 007 and out of respect for his octogenarian 007 predecessor adopts the nom de guerre James Bond?

 

[Mellotron]

It's the same insane conversation regarding Rings of Power

Dragons and Elves and Fire Demons and Cockney Goblins - FINE

A person who maybe should technically be white being black (ie some of the hobbits/dwarves/elves) - OUTRAGE

Weirdly not an issue when it's the other way around, as well...

 

[brianwade]

Just saw this story about an awesome corn maze with a Bond design(See below), and got me thinking again about who the next Bond will be. Never really a fan of Daniel Craig tbh, and hard to beat Connery or Moore, but my personal choices are either Tom Hardy or Tom Hiddleston. Any other Bond fans here? Thoughts about next Bond? Favorite movie? Mine is Thunderball.

Huge Bond fan so hope they get it right.

Corn Maze:

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he's dead - spoiler - maybe watch the last film

 

[Bold Seagull]

Evolved you say , what like Ghostbusters with Melissa McCarthy , change does not equal evolution , we could play in Red and Blue would that be evolving or as i believe ruin our identity . Bond is a white male , he has been since the beginning - that is his identity , and as with our magnificent Blue and white stripes ....it works perfectly !

In the novels (notably Casino Royale and From Russia, with Love), Fleming's Bond's physical description has generally been consistent: slim build; a three-inch long, thin vertical scar on his right cheek; blue-grey eyes; a "cruel" mouth; short, black hair, a comma of which falls on his forehead. Fleming also made clear that Bond was no hero. Fleming made him a boring and cruel instrument with little real personality, interests, morals, ideals, or life beyond being used as a tool by the British Government.

All the films diverged from this with creative license to make movies that worked. As mentioned above, after Dr No. Ian Fleming himself actually changed Bond to suit what was going on in the cinema.

If you have been able to accept all the changes to Bond over the years, and that includes the later novels Fleming wrote, how each actor or director bought a different take and interpretation of the character through the movies, then you have accepted an evolution to Bond's identity all along.

 

[Live by the sea]

Bond is meant to come across as a sophisticated , public school type , tough but with wit and an eye for the ladies . As long as the new bond can fit into that typeset all will be fine . Obviously it can’t be a woman not if you want to keep the character authentic.

 

[JBizzle]

Evolved you say , what like Ghostbusters with Melissa McCarthy , change does not equal evolution , we could play in Red and Blue would that be evolving or as i believe ruin our identity . Bond is a white male , he has been since the beginning - that is his identity , and as with our magnificent Blue and white stripes ....it works perfectly !

Our blue and white kits? That started out green and white before changing in the early 1900s?

Also, the Ghostbusters film isn't objectively bad. I found it perfectly decent and my son thought it was fantastic, but he's not going into it with any agenda other than to watch a film about people busting ghosts. The hilarious thing about some people these days is that they either a) write things off before watching because, for example, there are female Ghostbusters or black elves etc or b) go into it so predisposed to hate it because of their own agenda that they simply can't or won't enjoy it.

I mean, it's completely up to you, but so many people miss out on new things because they can't see past whatever agenda they have.

 

[The Clamp]

I’d prefer to see Bond remain as a white male. Purely because that’s what I identity with when I watch a Bond film. Having said that, I’m not fussed if they change it up. It’s a fiction. And one can go in any direction with fiction. Either way, I’m intrigued to see what they do with the character.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

It's the same insane conversation regarding Rings of Power

Dragons and Elves and Fire Demons and Cockney Goblins - FINE

A person who maybe should technically be white being black (ie some of the hobbits/dwarves/elves) - OUTRAGE

Weirdly not an issue when it's the other way around, as well...

Not an issue?

You have no idea what you're talking about. Like none.

It's been a big thing for a while now to call out whitewashing a character.

In 2017 when Scarlett Johansson played a character in Ghost in The Shell there was a huge amount of noise made about that casting.

Not an issue... that made me laugh.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

M was never a women. Money Penny was never a former field agent. Bond has been 7 different actors.

If you're not going to treat Bond with any creative license, you may as well stop because we've already gone well beyond Fleming's oeuvre.

Incidently, Fleming didn't write Bond to be Scottish until after Dr No. was released in You Only Live Twice. These writers screwing with established characters.

Well James Bond is dead. So yes, they should stop.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

He's always been a white Scotsman? Except when he was English (Moore, Craig), Welsh (Dalton), Irish (Brosnan) and Australian (Lazenby). Otherwise, you're spot on. All about agendas rather than the best actor the time. Except... You know the original "white Scotsman" only got the role as a placeholder for an Englishman?

Even with Fleming, he always intended for him to be English but after seeing Sean Connery he was compelled to write Scottish origins into James Bond's background. I guess it means that a fictional character, you can make it up as you go along.

The original creator can do as they please. It's their creation.

They wrote the character how they wanted them to be seen.

 

[TugWilson]

Our blue and white kits? That started out green and white before changing in the early 1900s?

Also, the Ghostbusters film isn't objectively bad. I found it perfectly decent and my son thought it was fantastic, but he's not going into it with any agenda other than to watch a film about people busting ghosts. The hilarious thing about some people these days is that they either a) write things off before watching because, for example, there are female Ghostbusters or black elves etc or b) go into it so predisposed to hate it because of their own agenda that they simply can't or won't enjoy it.

I mean, it's completely up to you, but so many people miss out on new things because they can't see past whatever agenda they have.

I`m well aware of the colour of our kit in the early 1900s - and how did that go ? .

As for the 2016 Ghostbusters film not being "objectively bad" the box office considered it a flop , making considerably less worldwide at todays prices than the original made in 1984 at the price at the time . Anyway what has that got to do with my preference for Bond , it is only my personal preference , you have yours . And what exactly am i missing out on ? . And what am i so predisposed against ? . Like you i choose what i want to watch based on previous experience , i don`t like Rom/Coms because i watched one and didn`t like it , i watched Star Wars and loved it so watched them all , not difficult is it . But for you to make assumptions about my viewing choices without knowing them is a bit strange .

 

[JBizzle]

I`m well aware of the colour of our kit in the early 1900s - and how did that go ? .

As for the 2016 Ghostbusters film not being "objectively bad" the box office considered it a flop , making considerably less worldwide at todays prices than the original made in 1984 at the price at the time . Anyway what has that got to do with my preference for Bond , it is only my personal preference , you have yours . And what exactly am i missing out on ? . And what am i so predisposed against ? . Like you i choose what i want to watch based on previous experience , i don`t like Rom/Coms because i watched one and didn`t like it , i watched Star Wars and loved it so watched them all , not difficult is it . But for you to make assumptions about my viewing choices without knowing them is a bit strange .

No idea, you brought it up, not me.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Well James Bond is dead. So yes, they should stop.

Like your arguments really.

 

[TugWilson]

No idea, you brought it up, not me.

You quoted me , and what have black elves got to do with me , you brought it up . The thread is about Bond for pete`s sake !