New law to be introduced

[Springal]

this is all part of the agenda....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdzepK-LVtU

 

[Eggmundo]

Back in the old days, you would go in to the corner shop, pay 60p for your copy of Razzle and no one but yourself and the friendly shop keeper would be know. Now, you access a grot site and it is recorded on all manner of data files and anyone with the technical nous or in collaboration with your ISP can look it up anytime.

 

[Springal]

Back in the old days, you would go in to the corner shop, pay 60p for your copy of Razzle and no one but yourself and the friendly shop keeper would be know. Now, you access a grot site and it is recorded on all manner of data files and anyone with the technical nous or in collaboration with your ISP can look it up anytime.

Extremely unlikely many ISP's would be able to, but even IF they did/could, why would they want to ?

 

[BadFish]

care to summarise your video Brunswick, i don't ave an hour to sit and watch it......well I do but I don't want to.

 

[tubaman]

But it doesn't, certainly not with the majority of ISPs. Most do keep basic header data for a short period (30 days iirc), as this is required under the data retention acts. However anyone still needs a court order, to get this information and once it is gone, it is gone. Things like who has an IP address and when, is usually kept for a lot longer.

Do you honestly think that this is not happening already? The necessity to obtain court orders has never stopped those that want this information. My guess is that the government agencies (including the police) who already make use of this information would like to make even more use of it and therefore are seeking to make it legal.

 

[Springal]

Do you honestly think that this is not happening already? The necessity to obtain court orders has never stopped those that want this information. My guess is that the government agencies (including the police) who already make use of this information would like to make even more use of it and therefore are seeking to make it legal.

I work in the ISP industry, and represent about 30 of them, working closely with their operations team and board level, I KNOW it doesn't happen in the majority of cases. I also see the court orders come through for everything, for most of these so know exactly what information is available, how it works etc.

How much data do you think most of this stuff generates, and how much do you think storage to accomodate all of this costs? Most ISP's are run on very tight margins and these kind of storage systems would be difficult to hide if just 'put in.'

Anyway, most of this is just press talk anyway, there is not even a draft of an initial proposal, so no-one REALLY knows what is in it. Keep an eye on http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/about-us/corporate-publications/structural-reform-plan/feb-monthly-srp-update?view=Binary

I imagine most of this will be innocuous anyway and be formal requirements for basic data to be kept for a short period. Earliest this will come in, is 2015 anyway...

 

[readingstockport]

Someone on popbitch has just posted this rather sensible suggestion.

"Keeping in mind the govts. announcement that GCHQ will be reading every one of your emails - i think it would be only polite to give them a hand.
Why not set up a rule on your spam folder to forward the email to: pressoffice@gchq.gsi.gov.uk just to be on the safe side."