New law to be introduced

[Doc Lynam]

So in order to protect us from crime and terrorism another of our civil liberties is being taken away. So now we are filmed everywhere we go and soon our calls, emails and texts will be open for the government to snoop through and listen.
Bloody hope we don't get a really right wing politician as PM in the future because that group is going to have all the tool's he or she will ever need.

BBC News - Email and web use under new laws

A scene by ex Varnden pupil Paul Scofield

 

[pseudonym]

"It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself--anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face...; was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime..."

 

[BadFish]

The article is dated the 1st of April, it must of course be a joke!

 

[pastafarian]

So in order to protect us from crime and terrorism another of our civil liberties is being taken away. So now we are filmed everywhere we go and soon our calls, emails and texts will be open for the government to snoop through and listen.
Bloody hope we don't get a really right wing politician as PM in the future because that group is going to have all the tool's he or she will ever need.

i wouldnt get your knickers in too much of a twist about this,labour tried something along the same lines years ago and it was rejected after due process.It sounds by your panic you are unaware that any planned legislation will have to go through the commons.

Keep calm and carry on!

 

[BadFish]

So in order to protect us from crime and terrorism another of our civil liberties is being taken away. So now we are filmed everywhere we go and soon our calls, emails and texts will be open for the government to snoop through and listen.
Bloody hope we don't get a really right wing politician as PM in the future because that group is going to have all the tool's he or she will ever need.

i wouldnt get your knickers in too much of a twist about this,labour tried something along the same lines years ago and it was rejected after due process.It sounds by your panic you are unaware that any planned legislation will have to go through the commons.

Keep calm and carry on!

Yes and if Labour and The Tories have both tried to introduce such legislation then what chance does it have? Just ignore it and let them carry on with whatever they are doing.

 

[pastafarian]

Yes and if Labour and The Tories have both tried to introduce such legislation then what chance does it have? Just ignore it and let them carry on with whatever they are doing.

i see your quoting abilities are on par with mine at 6am

 

[beorhthelm]

The article is dated the 1st of April, it must of course be a joke!

nope. its one of those serious but really a storm in a tea cup issues. they dont propose to keep or watch your actual email, only the logs that you sent one. currently they can do this anyway with a court order and down to brass tack, they want to remove that hurdle. so far so serious. but by the time this gets on to the statue books there will be a requirement to obtain a court order. really its about having something to put through parliament to justify all the time they spend, they need to show they've written something. Tories and Liberals both opposed this same proposal when Labour raised it a few years ago, i expect now Labour to oppose this.

 

[Medwayseagull]

So in order to protect us from crime and terrorism another of our civil liberties is being taken away. So now we are filmed everywhere we go and soon our calls, emails and texts will be open for the government to snoop through and listen.
Bloody hope we don't get a really right wing politician as PM in the future because that group is going to have all the tool's he or she will ever need.

BBC News - Email and web use under new laws

A scene by ex Varnden pupil Paul Scofield

We already have one.

 

[mune ni kamome]

No more porn sites for you my lad

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Bloody hope we don't get a really right wing politician as PM in the future because that group is going to have all the tool's he or she will ever need.

Or indeed really left wing either.

 

[Falkor]

Really what does it matter they still need a warrant to check what your seeing if there worried about ur use, and really if your not looking at terrorist sites or dodgy porn what have you got to worry about. I really couldnt give a toss by it

 

[Seagull58]

So in order to protect us from crime and terrorism another of our civil liberties is being taken away. So now we are filmed everywhere we go and soon our calls, emails and texts will be open for the government to snoop through and listen.
Bloody hope we don't get a really right wing politician as PM in the future because that group is going to have all the tool's he or she will ever need.



or, even worse, a realy left wing politician along the lines of the Soviets, the Chinese, Ceacescu in Rumania, Honecker in East Germany, Jaruzelski in Poland etc. etc.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Really what does it matter they still need a warrant to check what your seeing if there worried about ur use, and really if your not looking at terrorist sites or dodgy porn what have you got to worry about. I really couldnt give a toss by it

This myth that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear shows a stupidity beyond belief. Let's assume that somehow this government forces this through ( which hopefully they won't ), yes, CURRENTLY you probably have nothing to fear just as long as you're not breaking the law. Can YOU predict what party will be in power in say 30 years time ? What if that party suddenly decides to use the legislation to target opposition supporters ? What if you happen to be one of the opposition supporters ? I'm sure the Jews felt very safe and happy in Germany around 1900 and nobody would have ever have dreamt what was to come.

Once privacy and freedom are given away they are close to impossible to get back. What the government are proposing is the equivalent of one of their agents intercepting your postman, opening all your letters, seeing who you're communicating with and then taking a photocopy to possibly use against you at a later date. If anyone seriously thinks that's an act that should take place in a democratic and reasonably free society then they're seriously deranged. Sounds far more like the USSR, East Germany, Iran or China to me.

 

[BadFish]

This myth that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear shows a stupidity beyond belief. Let's assume that somehow this government forces this through ( which hopefully they won't ), yes, CURRENTLY you probably have nothing to fear just as long as you're not breaking the law. Can YOU predict what party will be in power in say 30 years time ? What if that party suddenly decides to use the legislation to target opposition supporters ? What if you happen to be one of the opposition supporters ? I'm sure the Jews felt very safe and happy in Germany around 1900 and nobody would have ever have dreamt what was to come.

Once privacy and freedom are given away they are close to impossible to get back. What the government are proposing is the equivalent of one of their agents intercepting your postman, opening all your letters, seeing who you're communicating with and then taking a photocopy to possibly use against you at a later date. If anyone seriously thinks that's an act that should take place in a democratic and reasonably free society then they're seriously deranged. Sounds far more like the USSR, East Germany, Iran or China to me.

Well said that man....Political apathy is a godsend for dodgy politicians (most of them).

 

[beorhthelm]

...What the government are proposing is the equivalent of one of their agents intercepting your postman, opening all your letters, seeing who you're communicating with and then taking a photocopy to possibly use against you at a later date.

no they aren't, its only recording that a email/text occured, not the contents. i dont agree with it but lets not invent things that dont exist. your company and ISP already track this already, but have you ever complained?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

no they aren't, its only recording that a email/text occured, not the contents. i dont agree with it but lets not invent things that dont exist. your company and ISP already track this already, but have you ever complained?

Taken place AND who the conversation was between. Agreed it's not the complete contents but regardless it's private information who I decide to speak to and no business of the government. I have a contract with my ISP and they have to keep my information securely and can only divulge it with my agreement or a court order. The government proposal is for this information to be available to them without those safeguards.

 

[Springal]

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[tubaman]

The article is dated the 1st of April, it must of course be a joke!

That was my immediate thought. Why legalise what already takes place?

 

[Springal]

That was my immediate thought. Why legalise what already takes place?

But it doesn't, certainly not with the majority of ISPs. Most do keep basic header data for a short period (30 days iirc), as this is required under the data retention acts. However anyone still needs a court order, to get this information and once it is gone, it is gone. Things like who has an IP address and when, is usually kept for a lot longer.

 

[brunswick]

this is all part of the agenda....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdzepK-LVtU