New "British Flag"

[*Gullsworth*]

Wrong. Trust me, I've spent time researching it, you'll need to do better.

Brilliant.....................Fight fight fight ha ha

 

[severnside gull]

Wrong. Trust me, I've spent time researching it, you'll need to do better.

more is not always best .................... you have over-researched.

Depending which definition of the terms state or nation you adopt you can make a case but there is always a definition that defeats your argument (the beauty of the English language).

Whether they are sovereign states independant in law is something else entirely.

 

[desprateseagull]

change the red cross into $$ signs..

 

[WhingForPresident]

[MENTION=4368]*Gullsworth*[/MENTION]

This one?

 

[Brovion]

I thought the diagonal red cross represented Wales.

Thats what i thought but on the tele they said they were not represented!

I do think that is the most shockingly ignorant thing I've ever read on NSC. Please don't take offence, I'm not having a go at either of you, if you don't know then you don't know, but really at some stage in your education someone should have explained the make-up and the history of your country's flag. Sorry, I'm sounding a bit 'Daily Mail' here, but whether you think the Union flag is a thing of beauty or a symbol of oppression for a British person not to know its history is very sad.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

Sorry WFP the Dragon was in the left corner......close!

 

[salty seagull]

I do think that is the most shockingly ignorant thing I've ever read on NSC. Please don't take offence, I'm not having a go at either of you, if you don't know then you don't know, but really at some stage in your education someone should have explained the make-up and the history of your country's flag. Sorry, I'm sounding a bit 'Daily Mail' here, but whether you think the Union flag is a thing of beauty or a symbol of oppression for a British person not to know its history is very sad.[/QUOTE

First you call us shockingly ignorant and then you say don`t take offence.I do hope you manage to get over the shock soon,then you can go and f*** yourself.Hope this hasn`t shocked you too,you twat.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Wales are not represented on the Union flag as they were already part of the kingdom (13th Century?) before the flag was introduced to represent the union of Scotland and England in the early 1600's. I think the Irish element was added a couple of hundred years later giving the Union Flag / Jack that we know today.

The union of 1603 was, of course, a union of the two crowns (of England and Scotland). The union of the two nations did not happen until 1707. The union of the parliaments of Great Britain and Ireland happened in 1801.

The union flag adopted in 1606 (three years after the union of the crowns) was this:-

 

[Brovion]

First you call us shockingly ignorant and then you say don`t take offence.I do hope you manage to get over the shock soon,then you can go and f*** yourself.Hope this hasn`t shocked you too,you twat.

No, it hasn't shocked me but I'm sorry you feel so angry. You obviously have taken offence and I can only apologise as I wasn't having a go at you but at the education system.

 

[Notters]

Not many people know.*


*ok back to sleep

I thought everyone knew. We always sing "there ain't no dragon on the union jack, do da, do da" when we play Cardiff, Swansea or Wrexham. At least we used to.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

I do think that is the most shockingly ignorant thing I've ever read on NSC. Please don't take offence, I'm not having a go at either of you, if you don't know then you don't know, but really at some stage in your education someone should have explained the make-up and the history of your country's flag. Sorry, I'm sounding a bit 'Daily Mail' here, but whether you think the Union flag is a thing of beauty or a symbol of oppression for a British person not to know its history is very sad.

You would be surprised how many people could not tell you which part of the "Union Flag" represented Wales. No offence taken Brovion! Perhaps we should have a poll?

 

[Notters]

I do think that is the most shockingly ignorant thing I've ever read on NSC. Please don't take offence, I'm not having a go at either of you, if you don't know then you don't know, but really at some stage in your education someone should have explained the make-up and the history of your country's flag. Sorry, I'm sounding a bit 'Daily Mail' here, but whether you think the Union flag is a thing of beauty or a symbol of oppression for a British person not to know its history is very sad.

Glad it's not just me. You do see the northern Irish cross whenever there's anything about northern Ireland on the news.

 

[salty seagull]

No, it hasn't shocked me but I'm sorry you feel so angry. You obviously have taken offence and I can only apologise as I wasn't having a go at you but at the education system.

Oh ok,FAnks four triying too help us.Yo our so in telly gent.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

There is a precedent for placing a symbol in the middle. This is the flag of Cromwell's Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland, adopted in 1663, with the Irish harp in the middle.

 

[*Gullsworth*]

I must have been gazing out of the window at the Netball when this was covered in History!

 

[Bruntburger]

Britain is just a land mass named by the Romans. A non entity!

Three great nations exist

England
Scotland
Wales

All already have their own flag.
Just scrap the Union flag of aristocracy and all is well.

 

[Sergei's Celebration]

There is a precedent for placing a symbol in the middle. This is the flag of Cromwell's Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland, adopted in 1663, with the Irish harp in the middle.

That didn't last long tho' for one of two reasons:

1. It looked rubbish
2. It was redesigned again after the Restoration

I think it was number 1.

 

[Common as Mook]

The dragon should be nowhere near the middle of the flag.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Glad it's not just me. You do see the northern Irish cross whenever there's anything about northern Ireland on the news.

The flag of Northern Ireland is a red herring. It's not a "Northern Irish cross". There's no such thing.

It was adopted by the Government of Northern Ireland and used officially only between 1953 and 1972. It is a mix of the flag of England, the Red Hand of the Province of Ulster, a six pointed Star to represent the six counties of Ulster that make up Northern Ireland and the Crown of the United Kingdom.

 

[salty seagull]

Glad it's not just me. You do see the northern Irish cross whenever there's anything about northern Ireland on the news.

More common to see the `red hand of Ulster` and crown on a St George cross,i thought.


Edit;As depicted above!