[News] Net migration to UK hits record 336,000, statistics show

[Soulman]

errrr those were all invasions. The Normans simply took over and destroyed Anglo Saxon language and culture. As the Anglo Saxons did to the Romano-Celts.

Yeah, but apart from that..........

 

[pastafarian]

Serious question...if we come out of the EU after the vote in 2017, do we ask all the Europeans who have arrived here to settle to feck off back home? If so, is there a time they have had to be here so they can stay, or only those who have applied for British citizenship? Does that apply to all the Africans and Indians, and Pakistanis and Americans and Aussies and New Zealanders and saffies here.....so do we tell everyone who is not born and bred here to feck off? And what about children born here to immigrants? Can they stay but their parents have to feck off?

It's all so complicated

Why would all the Europeans be thrown out?
Wouldnt they just be subject to the same permit requirements that are applicable to all the countries you later listed.I suspect someone who has been working here for years,with children born and schooling here would have a very strong case for long term work and residency permits if not dual nationality

Seems sensible to me though to at least control the numbers coming in. it would allow us to (for example) give preference to nurses or dentists or engineers or electricians all dependant on what skill we thought was lacking now or might lack in the near future.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Will help support an ageing population and help fund the ever increasing state bill

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Thank goodness we have immigrants working in our NHS & care homes. We couldn't manage without them. Unemployment is at its lowest for years, so we need the workers. They're all contributing in taxes too.

 

[cunning fergus]

As when the Romans came along and then the Jutes and Angles and Saxons and Vikings and when the Normans came along too. We've got thousands of years of history of changing, adapting and assimilating our language as new people arrive.

I expect you actually believe what you have set out here, however the facts are very different...........there was ethnic cleansing, rape, subjugation, murder and the erosion of cultural beliefs and practices. Take the Normans for example........

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrying_of_the_North

Plus ca change.........

 

[Soulman]

Thank goodness we have immigrants working in our NHS & care homes. We couldn't manage without them. Unemployment is at its lowest for years, so we need the workers. They're all contributing in taxes too.

I don't see to many saying that immigration should stop, just control it. 336000 a year is an awful lot, same next year? and the year after?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't see to many saying that immigration should stop, just control it. 336000 a year is an awful lot, same next year? and the year after?

That includes foreign students who usually go back when they've finished their education.

 

[pastafarian]

Thank goodness we have immigrants working in our NHS & care homes. We couldn't manage without them. Unemployment is at its lowest for years, so we need the workers. They're all contributing in taxes too.

would be even better if we could train up many more of our own citizens to work in the NHS and care homes rather than poach qualified staff from countries that also desperately don’t want their trained nurses to leave

 

[pastafarian]

I expect you actually believe what you have set out here, however the facts are very different...........there was ethnic cleansing, rape, subjugation, murder and the erosion of cultural beliefs and practices. Take the Normans for example........

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrying_of_the_North

Plus ca change.........

a veritable rivers of blood......so to speak

 

[Diego Napier]

errrr those were all invasions. The Normans simply took over and destroyed Anglo Saxon language and culture. As the Anglo Saxons did to the Romano-Celts.

Of course they were, and surprise surprise, we're all still here.

I was using extremes to make a point, rather than just referring to the hundreds of thousands of people that arrived during passive migrations like 25,000 years ago after the ice age or Jews and Flemings in the Middle Ages or Africans in the 16th Century or Jews in the 1800's and 1900's or Huguenots from France in the 17th Century or Indians in the 18th Century or German Palatines in the 18th Century or Poles during the 1800's and 1900's or Commonwealth citizens in the 1900's or Irish during the 19th and 20th Centuries.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

would be even better if we could train up many more of our own citizens to work in the NHS and care homes rather than poach qualified staff from countries that also desperately don’t want their trained nurses to leave

23% of our doctors are immigrants.

 

[Soulman]

That includes foreign students who usually go back when they've finished their education.

Oh, that's ok then, and how many would that bring it down to, probably not as low as the population of Brighton.

 

[Diego Napier]

I expect you actually believe what you have set out here, however the facts are very different...........there was ethnic cleansing, rape, subjugation, murder and the erosion of cultural beliefs and practices. Take the Normans for example........

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrying_of_the_North

Plus ca change.........

Sigh, please see post #50

 

[cunning fergus]

Of course they were, and surprise surprise, we're all still here.

I was using extremes to make a point, rather than just referring to the hundreds of thousands of people that arrived during passive migrations like 25,000 years ago after the ice age or Jews and Flemings in the Middle Ages or Africans in the 16th Century or Jews in the 1800's and 1900's or Huguenots from France in the 17th Century or Indians in the 18th Century or German Palatines in the 18th Century or Poles during the 1800's and 1900's or Commonwealth citizens in the 1900's or Irish during the 19th and 20th Centuries.

So your point is to continue with the contemporary narrative of Britain as an ancient multi cultural country with unfettered immigration and everyone all just rubbing along?

Sorry I don't buy it because it's not true...........ignoring what happened 25,000 years ago Britain has long been a mono cultural country with emigration a far greater factor than immigration.

The wider Anglo Saxon world would not exist without British emigration...........a contribution which has much more significance, than focusing on a few thousand refugees here and there during the course of the last 500 years.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

23% of our doctors are immigrants.

Isn't it great that we are pinching highly trained medical staff from India, Philippines, Nigeria, Zimbabwe Pakistan because their populations don't really need decent medical care do they.

 

[alfredmizen]

That includes foreign students who usually go back when they've finished their education.

Yes, of course they all do.........

 

[alfredmizen]

So your point is to continue with the contemporary narrative of Britain as an ancient multi cultural country with unfettered immigration and everyone all just rubbing along?

Sorry I don't buy it because it's not true...........ignoring what happened 25,000 years ago Britain has long been a mono cultural country with emigration a far greater factor than immigration.

The wider Anglo Saxon world would not exist without British emigration...........a contribution which has much more significance, than focusing on a few thousand refugees here and there during the course of the last 500 years.

spot on.

 

[cunning fergus]

23% of our doctors are immigrants.

Being well paid having been largely trained and educated in poorer countries than ours, and where they would be of better help. Stripping poor countries of health staff is nothing to celebrate, it's neo imperialism.

We should be able to train our own..........23% indicates our leaders must want healthcare on the cheap.

 

[dazzer6666]

Being well paid having been largely trained and educated in poorer countries than ours, and where they would be of better help. Stripping poor countries of health staff is nothing to celebrate, it's neo imperialism.

We should be able to train our own..........23% indicates our leaders must want healthcare on the cheap.

Part of the problem is the emigration of UK - trained/educated medical staff. Crap conditions, crap pay, continued cuts........highly sought after overseas due to the quality of education and training we provide (at the taxpayers expense). Make it better for them to stay and they will.......

 

[portlock seagull]

As when the Romans came along and then the Jutes and Angles and Saxons and Vikings and when the Normans came along too. We've got thousands of years of history of changing, adapting and assimilating our language as new people arrive.

Yes, all of these had a commonality - they killed and conquered the inhabitants. But I appreciate you further illustrating my point