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Neo Nazi = Neo Apologists?
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London Irish
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looney said:
Ha ha, you fool. The Irish have never seen the Plantation of Ulster as the problem, how can you complain about something that happened 400 years ago, it's about as THICK as saying Britain went downhill when the Angles arrived
The focus of countless generations of Irishmen has always been the removal of the state power and armies of a foreign invader, not repatriating a few Sweaties, you eejit.
Without the foreign army, the Irish of whatever tradition would get on just fine, just as they do in my own lovely county of Donegal (60% Catholic 40% Protestant)
Franks Wild Years
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I was enjoying CovGull and Brovians conversation untill Attention Deficit Boy got involved. Having been on the outskirts of Red Action as a teenager its interesting to hear ex activists from both sides opinions.
coventrygull
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Franks Wild Years said:I was enjoying CovGull and Brovians conversation untill Attention Deficit Boy got involved. Having been on the outskirts of Red Action as a teenager its interesting to hear ex activists from both sides opinions.
Oi what do you mean both sides opinions
Your not agreeing with LI's suggestion that I may have been involved with the far right many moons agohmy London Irish
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coventrygull said:Oi what do you mean both sides opinions
Hey, the NSC Truth and Reconciliation Commission will hear all confessions
Richard Whiteley
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looney said:
oh touche!
Oscar Wilde eat your heart out
looney
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London Irish said:Ha ha, you fool. The Irish have never seen the Plantation of Ulster as the problem, how can you complain about something that happened 400 years ago, it's about as THICK as saying Britain went downhill when the Angles arrived
The focus of countless generations of Irishmen has always been the removal of the state power and armies of a foreign invader, not repatriating a few Sweaties, you eejit.
Without the foreign army, the Irish of whatever tradition would get on just fine, just as they do in my own lovely county of Donegal (60% Catholic 40% Protestant)
The idea that if the British just went away then everything would be fine is a Republican myth, over half the population of Ulster considerthemselves British and are not prepared to accept Irish rule.
How can Donegal be your county when you are totrally unaware of the population make-up, eejit?
Back in 1925, Protestants were almost 20 percent of the population. Today, they make up 10 percent of County Donegal’s population — still a sizeable proportion considering that Protestants make up only 3 percent of the Irish Republic’s entire population.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/524931.asp?0sp=N2d7&cp1=1
All this is a dodge from the original question though.
do you consider the HISTORICAL immigration to Ulster by Scots as a good thing, has it been a success?
Brighton Breezy
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Irving is a client of the accoutancy my old man works for. The WANKER.
looney
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Uncle Buck
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Richie Morris said:
Irving is has a twin, my old man was at Brentwood with the 2 of them and I think at Sandhurst with the one that did not turn into a right wing nutter. It seems David Irving managed to avoid his national service or did not do it all.
Brighton Breezy
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He has Hitler's autograph in his house as well as Churchill's in his bathroom.
And that's because it's a shit question which is perhaps not surprising seeing as it has come from the queen of delusion that is the loonmeister. Afterall, if you asked 100 people that question just 30 years ago, or in 1690, you'd have got a different answer to the question if you asked it now.looney said:
Was French immigration to England in 1066 a success, looney?
bhaexpress
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Richie Morris said:
Good stuff Ritchie, at least your posts this time didn't get slagged off. Mind you when Looney sees them they might (that's not a bad thing though).
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enigma
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HampshireSeagulls said:
Looney, you still haven't answered this question.
bhaexpress
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enigma said:
The problem is that Looney can't find a suitable reply to copy and paste that's why.
Dandyman
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Uncle Buck said:
Rejected from the RAF on medical grounds, I understand (although I had always assumed that was code for "might be ok for the Navy...")
HampshireSeagulls
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He could have joined our KKK-branch that operated out of HMS DOLPHIN in the 70s/80s! One of the UKs highest ranking members of the order turned out to be a bloody submariner!
I only joined for the virgins, but we had to make do with Wrens....
I only joined for the virgins, but we had to make do with Wrens....
Dandyman
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bhaexpress said:
Well, this will probably confuse him even more (from the ScotsIrish website)...
"It is one of the ironies of British empire rule that having settled Ulster with people of the Protestant faith, it was not long until the British were persecuting these Scotch Irish residents of the Plantation for holding to their dissenting Presbyterianism.
Even more galling to the Orangemen (as they came to be called after the Revolution of 1688 ) were the trade restrictions imposed by the English as though on "foreigners." The transplanted Scotch-Irish had made agriculture and stock-raising thrive on the rocky hills of Ulster. They had introduced flax growing and built a high-quality linen industry, and were engaging in superior woolen manufacture. Deprived of the right to export their goods even to the motherland or the other English colonies or to import from anywhere but England, their source of a livelihood was narrowed to bare subsistence.
In 1609 there was an increasing hardship occasioned by the spread of a British form of land tenure, called the feu , which had the effect of dispossessing many farmers of their traditional lands in Scotland. These farmers were attracted to the lands visible across the channel from the shores of southwestern Scotland. Any Scot who had the inclination might now take the short journey across to Ulster and there, acquire a holding of land reputed by current Scotch Irish men to be far more fertile and productive than any he was likely to know in his own country. In an effort to gain control, England also in the early 1600s created a huge plantation in Northern Ireland, by opening up an area for settlement by "true Englishmen."Few from England took up the challenge, but it was a rare opportunity for the poor people of the Scottish lowlands who had been traveling back and forth anyway to improve their lot, and thousands of Scots made the move.
Only 30 miles separated the lower coast of Scotland from the coastline of Ulster , so they didn't have far to go. By 1612 ships were traveling back and forth with the frequency of a ferry. It should be noted here that people in Ulster and Scotland had been interacting for many years across this small stretch of water, the reason for this is simple, it was an easy crossing compared to "Black Pig's Dyke"
The area known as "Black Pig's Dyke, which runs across much of lower Ulster," consisted of great linear earthworks, a series of massive defenses, not continuous, but guarding the routeways into Ulster between the bogs, Loughs and drumlins, deep and dangerous march land, it is said to have been some 12 miles wide in place's. It is 5 meters deep and winds its way across the landscape for more than 40 kilometers. This served to virtually cut Ireland in two. It truly was a physical barrier not unlike the structure built in Scotland by the Roman Emperor Hadrian, with a massive wall built across the island from sea to sea, in like manner this structure outlines the division we see separating the northern province of Ulster from the southern portion of Ireland, remains of this structure can still be seen today...
... the result was probably not exactly what the English kings envisioned, as these Scotsmen brought their personalities and religious convictions with them. They were Presbyterians, stubbornly independent and much opposed to declaring allegiance to the established Church of England. From 1634 onward to 1690, life for the colonists of Ulster was to consist of a series of crises, some of them so prolonged and severe that the very existence of the Scottish settlements were threatened. The trouble had two causes: religious exactions from England and Irish uprisings. Under the Jesuits the Irish people had become fervently Catholic; to them the Protestants of Ulster were heretics as well as interlopers.
In 1632, Charles I demanded the Presbyterians join the Church of England. All those who disagreed with his demands were called "Dissenters." This policy met with such resistance that an army was raised to force Scots out of Ulster. Some emigrated to America; others went home to Scotland. Those who remained faced imprisonment. The Irish resented the intrusion of Scottish interlopers in Ireland, and their resentment exploded in 1641 in bitter insurrection...
The Church of Ireland (same as the Church of England, except in name), laid a heavy hand on the Dissenters. Presbyterian ministers could only preach within certain limits, and were liable to be fined, deported, or imprisoned. They could not legally unite a couple in marriage, and at times could only preach at night and in a barn. The "Black Oath" of 1639 required all Protestants of Ulster above the age of 16 to bind themselves to an implicit obedience to all royal commands whatsoever.
As already stated, in 1641, the Catholic clergy decided to wage an all out religious war against the Scotch-Irish. Catholic priests declared Protestants to be devils and deemed it to be a mortal sin for a Catholic to protect a Protestant. The Pope even supported the plan to destroy the Scotch-Irish. On 23 October 1641, Catholics undertook a campaign to wipe out Ulster homesteaders. Less than two months later the Scots sent a desperate letter to the English Parliament asking for help. They stated they were in a miserable condition, and the rebels increased in men and munitions daily....
James I had encouraged the planting of Ulster with new settlers to make Ireland a civil place. Archbishop Synge estimated that by 1715, 50,000 Scotch families had settled in Ulster since the 1641 revolution (civil war).
The reasons for the Scotch Irish exodus from Ireland are numerous and complicated. Loss of the one hundred year leases they were originally granted by the King of Ireland, high taxation, fever and sickness and, most importantly, religious persecution, combined to make their adopted homeland a less than hospitable host. The 18th century witnessed a steady migration of the Protestant inhabitants of Ulster, and by estimation a third of the population crossed the Atlantic. This exodus was led by several energetic and non-conformist Presbyterian ministers who maintained ongoing communications with supporters in New England from as early as the 1630s"
London Irish
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looney said:
The figures I referred to are the population census figures of the north-east Donegal area I come from (Dunfanaghy, Creeslough, the villages north-east of Letterkenny), the most heavily Protestant part of Donegal, which is the most heavily Protestant county in the Republic.
You say these Protestants consider themselves diehard Brits, but what does this say, fool?:
"Today, that sense of betrayal has largely abated and the Protestant community in east Donegal has for the most part eased into an Irish national identity. Ian McCracken, a retired schoolteacher who now works for a community development group, is emphatic about his identity. “From early days I was never aware of being anything other than Irish Presbyterian,” McCracken says. “There’s a very strong identity with being Irish coming through from our Protestant community in Donegal.”
Recently, McCracken led a group of Irish Protestants to Belfast to meet with a group of Northern Ireland Protestants. “There was a gulf between the two groups in our way of thinking, which really shouldn’t have been there since we’re all Protestant. The Protestant in Donegal has as much if not more in common with his fellow Roman Catholic Donegal person than they would have with the Protestant in Northern Ireland.”
And where did I find this? It was in the link you posted!
Only you would be so f***ing spastic to post an article that totally undermines your own argument!
You didn't even f***ing read it, did you? 
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