Mother of the Year ?

[bhaexpress]

Gwylan and LI are spot on here. Can't disagree with a word from either. I'm not in any way condoning what the mother did but I doubt that many people here have had the misfortune to have been close to somebody with an addiction.

Jailing her will punish her yes but as for rehabilitation, not much chance of that I'm afraid.

 

[Starry]

And one other point, all these people talking about Kelly getting her child addicted obviously didn't bother reading the facts of the story. He got addicted by finding her heroin lying around (terrible I know, but addicts have no concept of health and safety) and she procured him heroin to stop him feeling withdrawal pains.

Oh so that is OK then. What a stellar person.

And as for being reunited with her son? Oh I fed my son drugs for years but he found them first so really it's his fault let me at him. Thankfully when she is out on the streets again he'll be very nearly an adult.

She is scum, she let her son use drugs and provided them for him. At nine years old no mother, addict or otherwise, has the right giving their son anything you can't buy in Boots, he found drugs big freaking deal. There is a casualty department for situations like that, you don't give them more?

Treated for her addiction and rehabilited into society? She's an addict second to the crime she committed towards her son and she deserves a long, lonely time in jail.

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I've known a few people who have been addicted to heroin.

Me too. And if they had been giving their babies a hit they deserve to rot in jail and contemplate what an entirely fcuked up thing they have done.

 

[Starry]

Jailing her will punish her yes but as for rehabilitation, not much chance of that I'm afraid.

So she should not be punished at all?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Should a persistent drink driver be rehabilitated rather than sent to prison?

Should a 'wife beater' (over a prolonged period of time) be rehabilitated rather than sent to prison?

This is a woman who was meant to have the strongest link possible to a person (maternal).

She met him outside school in his lunch break and took him a heroin wrap!!!

 

[bhaexpress]

So she should not be punished at all?

If you'd read the original article as Gwylan said you'd have seen that she gave her son drugs as he had got addicted. If you have had any experience of severe addiction you'd know that the woman had no real concept of good or mad and in fact was (and probably still is) mentally incompetant. I haven't a real answer I admit but as I keep saying I can't see how jailing her helps anybody.

Her son is now 12 years old and at that age he's more than able to score if he wanted to. What should happen is that the people who sold this woman and thus her son get more suitable punishments although the chances are at the lower end of the 'dealship' they too are addicts.

 

[bhaexpress]

Should a persistent drink driver be rehabilitated rather than sent to prison?

Should a 'wife beater' (over a prolonged period of time) be rehabilitated rather than sent to prison?

This is a woman who was meant to have the strongest link possible to a person (maternal).

She met him outside school in his lunch break and took him a heroin wrap!!!

Yes because he was 'clucking' I think you'll find. There's not a whole lot of rehab centres out there you know.

 

[Les Biehn]

Personally I would sterilise her and force her into a life of prostitution. No more kids and she can enjoy making money for her drug habit. Plus I will be able to get cheap BJ's from a toothless hooker. Who can't be happy with this situation?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

as I keep saying I can't see how jailing her helps anybody.

 

[bhaexpress]

Personally I would sterilise her and force her into a life of prostitution. No more kids and she can enjoy making money for her drug habit. Plus I will be able to get cheap BJ's from a toothless hooker. Who can't be happy with this situation?

That's one answer I guess

 

[Starry]

If you'd read the original article as Gwylan said you'd have seen that she gave her son drugs as he had got addicted. If you have had any experience of severe addiction you'd know that the woman had no real concept of good or mad and in fact was (and probably still is) mentally incompetant. I haven't a real answer I admit but as I keep saying I can't see how jailing her helps anybody.

Her son is now 12 years old and at that age he's more than able to score if he wanted to. What should happen is that the people who sold this woman and thus her son get more suitable punishments although the chances are at the lower end of the 'dealship' they too are addicts.

I have read the original article.

I find it entirely mind blowing that people can excuse what she did to her son just because she is an addict. So it's OK for all those addicts to peddle dugs, drink, porn to their kids because they are addicts. Nice.

So because her son is 12 now and able to score if he wanted to without mum's help, it's OK for his mum to provide to him. Wow.

Jailing helps keep her far away from providing drugs to children.

I don't buy all this pass the buck to the dealer who provided to her to then feed her son. Yes the dealer is scum, but so is she.

 

[Commander]

Having thought about this a lot overnight, I cant change my mind. She got her kid addicted to heroin. I don't give a f*** what happens to her, I really don't. My only concern is for the kid.

Saw this on the news last night and it was outside my old school

 

[El Presidente]

Perhaps her kid was naughty when younger, and someone advised her to "Give him a smack", but misheard the advice

 

[Commander]

You're still trying to drag murder into it aren't you? As I said that isn't really what we're discussing. But to answer your question, yes, if they killed somebody during a robbery to get cash to pay for their fix then I'd want them to go to prison. You're saying she 'could have' stabbed somebody or the boy 'could have' died, if this was an American court I'd shout "Objection! Pure conjecture!"

At the risk of repeating myself, judge each case on it's merits. This woman didn't kill anybody, deliberately or otherwise.

EDIT - Typo corrected.

OK, I understand your point on judging each case on it's merits, and that's fair enough, but if we had exactly the same situation and the kid HAD died, then you are saying she should go to prison, even though she hadn't done anything different? How does that work?

 

[Commander]

Perhaps her kid was naughty when younger, and someone advised her to "Give him a smack", but misheard the advice

In which case she should be released immediately.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Yes because he was 'clucking' I think you'll find. There's not a whole lot of rehab centres out there you know.

So you are not actually condemning her for feeding his drug habit, rather than seeking help?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

My kid is three years old and I have another on the way. Throughout my voyage into parenthood I have been expecting at virtually any moment to develop very unforgiving and simplistic ideas regarding punishment in child welfare cases but it is hasn't happened yet. Maybe when the second is born in January

Are you really that desperate to score a cheap point on an internet message board that you feel the need to make excuses for a child-abuser?

Here’s what the judge said to the mother, as quoted in today’s Daily Mirror:

“You did nothing to help him and everything to harm him. You deliberately and callously pit your choice of lifestyle above his physical and mental welfare. There can be no greater dereliction of a mother’s duty towards her son”



Maybe when your kids are a bit older they might be able to teach you about the difference between right and wrong.

 

[Les Biehn]

I don't think she has any excuses for what she did, she's obviously a ****. However rehabilitation is surely a better answer than prison which is probably gonna exacerbate her f***ed upness. I would imagine that if she came out of rehabilitation ok then a life time of guilt and not knowing her child is punishment enough.

 

[bhaexpress]

So you are not actually condemning her for feeding his drug habit, rather than seeking help?

You don't know a whole lot about this do you ? That's part of the problem, there's very limited help available. Factor in that had she taken her kid to 'the authorities' they would have (rightly) taken him away from her.

The mind of an addict doesn't work in the way that most people's do like anybody else with a problem that affects them mentally. An addict's version of right and wrong and their values and priorities are not the same as yours or mine.

 

[Les Biehn]

You don't know a whole lot about this do you ? That's part of the problem, there's very limited help available. Factor in that had she taken her kid to 'the authorities' they would have (rightly) taken him away from her.

The mind of an addict doesn't work in the way that most people's do like anybody else with a problem that affects them mentally. An addict's version of right and wrong and their values and priorities are not the same as yours or mine.

So basically BoF they should be allowed to f*** up as many peoples lives as they want. Now stop being such a facist.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

You don't know a whole lot about this do you ? That's part of the problem, there's very limited help available. Factor in that had she taken her kid to 'the authorities' they would have (rightly) taken him away from her.

The mind of an addict doesn't work in the way that most people's do like anybody else with a problem that affects them mentally. An addict's version of right and wrong and their values and priorities are not the same as yours or mine.

I don't think anyone can truly know how the mind of an addict works, until one is an addict.

There is still no excuse for her actions! There is no getting round that.

But her behaviour must be condemned. It was wrong. There are no two ways of looking at this.

Scared that the authorities would take her child? That is no excuse for not addressing the problem.

I am beginning to repeat myself, so I will stop boring everyone.