[Politics] More than 40,000 have crossed the channel this year.

[WATFORD zero]

since we're going round the block again, feel need to point out we are the same as most other nations in this respect. where we differ is you cant roll up to the border post or hop across some fields, instead have to negotiate a large sea, which is causing deaths. so what we are seeking is that reception centre in France or free travel to Dover, with a policy of accepting all asylum seekers. otherwise all the slow or rejected cases will continue to seek other means.

WTF ? Going round the block again ?

Absolutely nobody except you has said we should have a policy of accepting all asylum seekers. You're not even subtle these days (not that you ever were much)

What people have said is that all the while this Government refuses to put back valid methods of applying for asylum, people are being forced into the hands of people smugglers, across the channel and dying.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Have we taken back control yet?

 

[Justice]

They come because we are a soft touch. I got deported from Cyprus early 90’s for working there illegally. Within a few days I was escorted onto a ferry no messing about. Got arrested with an American back at the nick they beat him with a phone book right next to me. Thinking Christ it’s my turn next that changed when they found out I was British everyone seems to have a dislike for the yanks.

 

[beorhthelm]

WTF ? Going round the block again ?

Absolutely nobody except you has said we should have a policy of accepting all asylum seekers. You're not even subtle these days (not that you ever were much)

What people have said is that all the while this Government refuses to put back valid methods of applying for asylum, people are being forced into the hands of people smugglers, across the channel and dying.

so we have a reception centre in France, what next? those turning up either have to remain in France while processing (unfeasible), or admitted to UK and travel on to reception centres here while processing. i'm not against this, just being honest about it, i dont really see how else it works.

maybe the word "accepting" is a problem, "receive" would be better?

 

[WATFORD zero]

so we have a reception centre in France, what next? those turning up either have to remain in France while processing (unfeasible), or admitted to UK and travel on to reception centres here while processing. i'm not against this, just being honest about it, i dont really see how else it works.

maybe the word "accepting" is a problem, "receive" would be better?

I'm afraid you've done what you always do and leap to a conclusion and then get confused. We spent days and days on another thread going through why certain border options wouldn't work, only for you to come back a week later with the same idea/questions again and I'm not prepared to spend that sort of time again.

I'll simply leave it with 'you are aware the majority of people seeking asylum in the UK don't originate in France, aren't you ?'

 

[beorhthelm]

I'm afraid you've done what you always do and leap to a conclusion and then get confused. We spent days and days on another thread going through why certain border options wouldn't work, only for you to come back a week later with the same idea/questions and I'm not prepared to spend that sort of time again.

I'll simply leave it at 'you are aware the majority of people seeking asylum in the UK don't originate in France, aren't you ?'

i thought 40k people crossing the channel from France was the point of the thread. allowing them a route in is the solution to that.

 

[dsr-burnley]

They didn't want to get away from France - they wanted to get to the UK.

Everyone has the right to claim asylum. Not every asylum claim will be granted, obviously. The problem here is that you cannot claim asylum in the UK until you are in the UK, and there are no legal ways to get here for the vast majority of asylum-seekers. Hence they are forced into the hands of people traffickers. The simple solution is to put in place a system whereby asylum-seekers can apply before they get here (ie, what the French offered some time ago). Or, allow safe routes to the UK, whereupon an asylum-seeker could lodge their claim. As others have said, these deaths (and many others before) are being caused by the UK government's barbaric treatment of desperate people. Unfortunately they can get away with it because some in our society see asylum-seekers as a sort of "other" class of people who don't deserve to be treated like humans.

So we set up an asylum processing centre in Albania (or in France) for Albanians who want to claim political asylum in the UK. Then what? Every application gets turned down.

Will that stop them from crossing the Channel? Of course not, because the very reason they cross the Channel is because they would be turned down if they applied by legal means. Making it easier to apply would make no difference.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So we set up an asylum processing centre in Albania (or in France) for Albanians who want to claim political asylum in the UK. Then what? Every application gets turned down.

Will that stop them from crossing the Channel? Of course not, because the very reason they cross the Channel is because they would be turned down if they applied by legal means. Making it easier to apply would make no difference.

If they did that, they could legally be instantly deported.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

They come because we are a soft touch. I got deported from Cyprus early 90’s for working there illegally. Within a few days I was escorted onto a ferry no messing about. Got arrested with an American back at the nick they beat him with a phone book right next to me. Thinking Christ it’s my turn next that changed when they found out I was British everyone seems to have a dislike for the yanks.

If you are working illegally, you are deported. Those who claim asylum are not allowed to work.

If you think living in crowded accommodation with £38 a week risking scabies, and diptheria is a soft touch, then I suggest you try it.

The problem is the Home Office isn't processing the claims very quickly so the numbers waiting are going up and up. Only 4% of the claims were actually done last year.

In France, asylum seekers are allowed to work whilst waiting for claims to process. We should do the same here.

 

[Randy McNob]

Have we taken back control yet?

Taking back control = breaking international human rights laws we willingly signed up to and helped draw up, championed by Winston Churchill, to send those that don't drown in the channel to Rwanda so the UK can negate it's obligations towards helping desperate people fleeing wars which mostly have our finger prints over, whether it be illegal invasions, occupations or selling arms.

disgusting, Disgraceful and inhumane by a government who think importing cheese is a disgrace.

So in answer to your question, we haven't taken back control, we have a government of lunatics who have totally lost control

 

[Eeyore]

They come because we are a soft touch. I got deported from Cyprus early 90’s for working there illegally. Within a few days I was escorted onto a ferry no messing about. Got arrested with an American back at the nick they beat him with a phone book right next to me. Thinking Christ it’s my turn next that changed when they found out I was British everyone seems to have a dislike for the yanks.

Quite right too, folk run away from persecution or seek a better life that we only have through accident of birth. They risk their lives crossing cold and violent waters.

Beat them up when they get here ! Chuck them on another boat back and beat them up when they get there too ! they can't have the life that we, errm, haven't earned, but anyway. How dare they. Send them back, the lot.

Oh, where have all our NHS staff gone ? Where's my plumber ?

 

[Wokeworrier]

I am ashamed to be British today

The only thing you (and a few others) should feel real shame about is using this tragedy for political point scoring .. the criminal gangs putting people in unseaworthy boats in freezing conditions deserve the 'evil' tag.

 

[drew]

So we set up an asylum processing centre in Albania (or in France) for Albanians who want to claim political asylum in the UK. Then what? Every application gets turned down.

Will that stop them from crossing the Channel? Of course not, because the very reason they cross the Channel is because they would be turned down if they applied by legal means. Making it easier to apply would make no difference.

What are these legal means that you talk of? There are no safe routes into the country for an asylum seeker to take in order to request asylum and that is the reason they pay money to people smugglers to come across by boat. Braverman pretty much admitted as much when questioned by Tim Loughton in the select committee recently.

 

[Justice]

Quite right too, folk run away from persecution or seek a better life that we only have through accident of birth. They risk their lives crossing cold and violent waters.

Beat them up when they get here ! Chuck them on another boat back and beat them up when they get there too ! they can't have the life that we, errm, haven't earned, but anyway. How dare they. Send them back, the lot.

Oh, where have all our NHS staff gone ? Where's my plumber ?

If you are fleeing a country in fear of your life then why risk it again to get here on a dodgy boat? Safety and refuge can be found in other European countries that they pass through to get to Calais.

You mention NHS staff many nurses are using food banks yet these apparent migrants seeking asylum are pulling £5-10k out to cross the channel to get to UK shores.

 

[BadFish]

I see the same misinformed nonsense is being peddled on this thread. Some shit for the last 10 years.

The right to hold an opinion is of course everyone's but surely with this comes the responsibility to do a little research and understand the charters that have been signed up to and the responsibilities of each signatory.

 

[BadFish]

The only thing you (and a few others) should feel real shame about is using this tragedy for political point scoring .. the criminal gangs putting people in unseaworthy boats in freezing conditions deserve the 'evil' tag.

Bit late for this isn't it? The tragedy of people being forced to flee their homes was politicised and weaponised many many years ago. It has taken a while but it is good you have finally recognised it.

Pity more people didn't realise it years ago before it lead to you all leaping off the Brexit cliff like lemmings.

A small but important not: it wasn't people on this thread that politicised this issue. Next step is to join the dots as to why it happened in the first place.

 

[Wokeworrier]

Bit late for this isn't it? The tragedy of people being forced to flee their homes was politicised and weaponised many many years ago. It has taken a while but it is good you have finally recognised it.

Pity more people didn't realise it years ago before it lead to you all leaping off the Brexit cliff like lemmings.

A small but important not: it wasn't people on this thread that politicised this issue. Next step is to join the dots as to why it happened in the first place.

One thing I know for certain is that the people on this thread that have politicised this issue to score cheap political points about Brexit/Tories were nowhere to be seen when migrants were dying in the channel when we were in the EU and will once again, purely coincidentally, melt away when/if Labour get back in ...

 

[Lever]

The only thing you (and a few others) should feel real shame about is using this tragedy for political point scoring .. the criminal gangs putting people in unseaworthy boats in freezing conditions deserve the 'evil' tag.

This is nothing but a sickening tragedy... and everything else is pointlessly provocative.... Stop

 

[Lever]

I think a bit of quiet reflection over the sheer desperation that caused this crossing would be appropriate.... and that is not intended to be a political point....

 

[BadFish]

One thing I know for certain is that the people on this thread that have politicised this issue to score cheap political points about Brexit/Tories were nowhere to be seen when migrants were dying in the channel when we were in the EU and will once again, purely coincidentally, melt away when/if Labour get back in ...

You have been around this board long enough (with various different user names) to know that this post is utter utter nonsense.

The posters on this thread have been discussing this issue for years and years. If your memory is fading you can look back through the archives and find out for yourself.

Once you have done that go and look into how and when this issue became politicised. Then figure out what and who it benefitted and how its weaponsation was used.

Or alternatively, keep posting your ill informed claptrap safe in the knowledge you don't need to learn anything about this topic. Let's face it you have frequented enough of these threads and still managed to learn nothing.