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Missing Woman in London
- Thread starter clapham_gull
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At both...and both included singing
East Stand I assume
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Yeah, very possibly.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
well they certainly stopped their right to assemble in an almost fascist display of authority,they have done their image no good whatsoever.
Not for chanting, for chanting “ f*** the police” try keeping up
You haven’t obviously watched the video we are talking about.
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
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Of course the right to assemble is just so crucial during a pandemic!
And what did this gathering hope to achieve from a tangible perspective in relation to the safety of women?
There is no right to assemble, we’re in a lockdown. We’re all going through it. It’s a global pandemic, the police are there to try and uphold the law. It’s an impossible job.
What’s the odds anyone, that some of the hundreds all cramped together in this protest were clapping for the NHS last month I wonder?
sydney
tinky ****in winky
Of course the right to assemble is just so crucial during a pandemic!
And what did this gathering hope to achieve from a tangible perspective in relation to the safety of women?
other protesters have been afforded the right to assemble during the pandemic ...!!! over 70 000 at Trafalgar Sq the other week to hear David Ike's speech ...BLM were afforded the right to march and protest....!!! having said that this vigil has obviously been hijacked by people with different agenda.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
you're pro lockdown , plenty aren't se post above.
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
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Yes but a large proportion of those yesterday should have been home sorting the kids out and making sure hubby's tea was ready
Seagull
Yes I eat anything
I was at the Clapham Common bandstand during the day and again last night. In the afternoon it was solemn and emotional with people silently paying respects. In the evening, a large crowd assembled again peacefully and taking care re distancing and masks. If the police had negotiated with the women of Reclaim The Streets who first proposed the vigil, it would probably have been a quiet one and over by 7pm.
However banning it made more people turn up I reckon. The coppers on duty were in hi vis and when told to move in on the bandstand, it just didn't look good. Their presence ("shame on you") wound up the crowd. A huge male officer towered over a small young woman, apparently trying to stop her speaking about Sarah Everard. Given that one of their number is in a cell charged with abducting & murdereing Sarah nearby, this gave all the wrong signals. And it was weirdly backlit giving a horror film feel! The crowd which was predominantly younger women chanted to "let her speak". The police seemed to symbolise danger and aggression not safety. Whoever made the key decisions made a huge error of judgement.
Individual police I spoke with realised that it didn't look good but they were just doing what they were told. I asked them to pass my thoughts up the chain of command. With the heavy handed presence, it was always going to end badly. I left expecting to see the usual mendacious headlines re rioters on the news so was pleasantly surprised by the fairly accurate reporting so far.
I suspect the ban also attracted some more activistic anti-police attendees, but the gathering was basically peaceful and did not require ten police vans and a helicopter buzzing overhead. The police presence inflamed the situation badly. I am hoping that this febrile moment and media attention might actually lead to some useful change in the way the State operates in such situations and in the wider field of violence against women.
However banning it made more people turn up I reckon. The coppers on duty were in hi vis and when told to move in on the bandstand, it just didn't look good. Their presence ("shame on you") wound up the crowd. A huge male officer towered over a small young woman, apparently trying to stop her speaking about Sarah Everard. Given that one of their number is in a cell charged with abducting & murdereing Sarah nearby, this gave all the wrong signals. And it was weirdly backlit giving a horror film feel! The crowd which was predominantly younger women chanted to "let her speak". The police seemed to symbolise danger and aggression not safety. Whoever made the key decisions made a huge error of judgement.
Individual police I spoke with realised that it didn't look good but they were just doing what they were told. I asked them to pass my thoughts up the chain of command. With the heavy handed presence, it was always going to end badly. I left expecting to see the usual mendacious headlines re rioters on the news so was pleasantly surprised by the fairly accurate reporting so far.
I suspect the ban also attracted some more activistic anti-police attendees, but the gathering was basically peaceful and did not require ten police vans and a helicopter buzzing overhead. The police presence inflamed the situation badly. I am hoping that this febrile moment and media attention might actually lead to some useful change in the way the State operates in such situations and in the wider field of violence against women.
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Unless I missed something no members of the Met Police have been arrested and charged this week with murdering a Glasgow Rangers fan or anti masker? They turned down the opportunity to talk to organisers about having a Covid safe vigil and allowed it to happen organically instead. Then when it went dark - granted circumstances in the vigil/protest might have changed - they came along and started snatching women from the crowd less than a fortnight after what happened to Sarah Everard.
You do realise that in three months time when, in theory, all restrictions are lifted the Police have still got to continue Policing and will be doing so with large parts of the female population not trusting them or scared of them?
If you can't see that as a minimum this looks appalling then there is no point continuing discussing it.
Covid Safe? In the past few weeks we’ve had people fined for sitting on benches, visiting beaches and the idea of masking runners - if that isn’t covid safe then a few hundred people not socially distancing in a park in London is certainly not covid safe - the rules are absolutely shambolic as they have been from day 1, but they are the rules and you don’t get to pick and choose which ones we follow.
People can’t visit family today on Mother’s Day because it isn’t covid safe.
There has been 10k fines handed out to quite a few.
Rangers fans were fined
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-northamptonshire-56318880
Anti masker/nut jobbers got fined
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ined-10000-for-organising-anti-lockdown-rally
Party arrangers got fined
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/news/london-tier-3-three-office-party-fine-10k-police/
Why should someone you agree with not get fined/arrested Doesn’t work like that I’m afraid.
Maybe if people actually paid attention to the powers we have given Johnson and his cabinet in the first place they wouldn’t be shocked of what we have been left with.
Don't think you saw my question about any of those groups protesting having a member murdered in the last couple of weeks which a serving Metropolitan Police officer was subsequently charged with? Also if they were that bothered about Covid spreading why did they kettle them?
But never mind. It's just most BAME communities and now Women who don't trust the Police. Us white men can still walk down the street safely and be left alone by them and that's the main thing. Thank god we have the brave Police to be able to protect us from the likes of this 5 feet 2 woman it took several officers to get to the floor and handcuff before dragging into a van - which in no way looked bad after the events of the last week - only to ask her name and details before letting her go without charge.
redoubtable seagull
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- Oct 27, 2004
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Met police over zealous and heavy handed, you say? Now there’s a surprise.
In fairness the law has changed since the BLM and Football Lads protested last year.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Language is really important. I’ve heard Jess Philips talking about the Met putting the ‘boot in’, you’re using ‘snatching’, heard another woman talking about women being ‘thrown’ to the ground. It’s all irresponsible hyperbole and fans the flames. One clip I saw was female officers trying to contain women protesters, yet they’re accused of ‘manhandling’ ironically - are they to be criticised for doing their job? The police are not the enemy here, some sick man is and for all we know he might be mentally ill from years of stress policing London's streets. We’ll have to wait and see I guess.
So now covid respects those that have a rightful cause? If this was any other group it would be in the covidiots group already.
Have you been equally as outraged at those groups mentioned above?
The law is the issue here and people have been cheering on this sort of strict behaviour all year and now are upset because it’s affecting a cause they (and I support)
Ive already said it was a mess and the police went ott, but under the current regulations under mass gatherings they shouldn’t have been there.