Missing Woman in London

[RossyG]

Personally i agree with having a DNA database for checking against crime scenes, people talk about infringement of freedoms well what happens to the greater infringement on victims. If you don't do anything wrong you really don't have anything to worry about.

Unless you're being fitted up.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Crooks (and murderers and rapists) will find ways to remove/disable the chips. DNA samples taking at birth might do the trick, and without any invasive procedures.

Absolutely, I don't care how it's done, not sure how 'normal' people would remove chips, depends if they were always put in the same place ie remove peoples right arm, hey it's supposed liberty vs someone's death. The mass of deaths are carried out by opportunists and rage moments and mentally disturbed, I guess }

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Unless you're being fitted up.

I'd like to think that if my DNA was on an international database with everyone else there is far more chance it would help prove my innocence [not present at a crime scene] than be used to fit me up.

There must be plenty of other scrots that OB would prefer to fit up in front of little ole law-abiding me.

 

[amexer]

Personally i agree with having a DNA database for checking against crime scenes, people talk about infringement of freedoms well what happens to the greater infringement on victims. If you don't do anything wrong you really don't have anything to worry about.

Agree chip at birth. People have DNA taken now when arrested. Many times this matches up with crimes done years ago. The good far out ways the bad. Would mean very few unsolved crimes including murders and rapes

 

[RossyG]

Agree chip at birth. People have DNA taken now when arrested. Many times this matches up with crimes done years ago. The good far out ways the bad. Would mean very few unsolved crimes including murders and rapes

What would the chips do? You say it’s good then switch to DNA testing, which is completely different.

 

[dangull]

Obviously the guy deserves everything coming to him. I just don't understand how a person with a wife and young family in a respected career would risk all that in his perverted sexual fantasies.
I presume that this was the reason for the crime.

 

[GT49er]

Unless you're being fitted up.

There wouldn't be any need to fit anyone up as the clear up rate would be so high it didn't need 'doctoring'. They could just go straight to the perpetrator of the crime.

 

[Questions]

I wonder how many people who post on here have given DNA samples to the police. I have but was not convicted and if I could be arsed I would get it expunged. When I fancy killing someone - which I feel is getting closer - I might force them to scrap it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Some interesting posts. Yesterday I used Google to look up the title of Bron Waugh's autobiography (which I own, but have mislaid) and today when I went on Amazon it suggested several books I might like to buy, authored by Bron Waugh. Am I bovvered? Not sure.

 

[amexer]

What would the chips do? You say it’s good then switch to DNA testing, which is completely different.

Sorry take DNA at birth

 

[Worried Man Blues]

I wonder how many people who post on here have given DNA samples to the police. I have but was not convicted and if I could be arsed I would get it expunged. When I fancy killing someone - which I feel is getting closer - I might force them to scrap it.

Your human rights of anonymity is greater than the person you are planning to kill that is the rub.

 

[Motogull]

This chips business. Has it become a little confused?

Pets are chipped. Vets can scan a dead or 'is this lost' one to see if there is an owner.

Do 'we' mean GPS for live tracking? That's quite a bit of tech and a power supply needed - not sure we are even close. I guess contactless charging is coming but even so.

Not having a pop at the suggester by the way.

 

[GT49er]

Personally i agree with having a DNA database for checking against crime scenes, people talk about infringement of freedoms well what happens to the greater infringement on victims. If you don't do anything wrong you really don't have anything to worry about.

It would be the death knell of detective fiction though.

"How on earth did you solve that unfathomable riddle, Holmes?"
"I took some DNA samples from the scene, Watson, and had them checked against the database."
"Amazing, Holmes - what next?"
"I informed Inspector Lestrade of the villain's name and address and he went round with a couple of constables and nabbed the blighter."
"Incredible, Holmes!"
"Elementary, my dear Watson."

At least the books would be very short ...............................

 

[Wardy's twin]

Unless you're being fitted up.

If 'they' want to 'fit you up' they could take your DNA in a surreptitious manner quit easily anyway.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

This chips business. Has it become a little confused?

Pets are chipped. Vets can scan a dead or 'is this lost' one to see if there is an owner.

Do 'we' mean GPS for live tracking? That's quite a bit of tech and a power supply needed - not sure we are even close. I guess contactless charging is coming but even so.

Not having a pop at the suggester by the way.

I obviously haven't thought this through but if you can put a plate in someone's leg to so they don't limp it is probably possible to put a GPS thingy in a body. I will await the men in white coats to arrive..........if they can find where I live

 

[Motogull]

I obviously haven't thought this through but if you can put a plate in someone's leg to so they don't limp it is probably possible to put a GPS thingy in a body. I will await the men in white coats to arrive..........if they can find where I live

The clever aeronautical kunnts couldn't track a fukken great big 'plane over the pacific though.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It would be the death knell of detective fiction though.

"How on earth did you solve that unfathomable riddle, Holmes?"
"I took some DNA samples from the scene, Watson, and had them checked against the database."
"Amazing, Holmes - what next?"
"I informed Inspector Lestrade of the villain's name and address and he went round with a couple of constables and nabbed the blighter."
"Incredible, Holmes!"
"Elementary, my dear Watson."

At least the books would be very short ...............................

I am an authoritarian and my first instinct is that a DNA data base and indeed microchipping are great ideas. When CCTV went up here (Faversham piloted it) the street crime in town vanished overnight.

However there is so much scope to abuse the tec.... I can't see Boris hesitating a nanoseond if given a chance to manipulate tec 'for the greater good'. 'Yes, we have found Corbyn's DNA on the kit that made the Brighton bomb'. There are many on NSC who would be quite happy with that, given that Corbyn 'deserves to go down'. For sake of balance, I could see Campbell cheerfully pulling an equivalent stunt to 'prove' that Thatcher was a psychopath.

And there is the hostage to fortune - imagine a society where the likes of Pol Pot, or Trump, or Das Reich had their way: DNA testing not only for having foreign origins, but for any other sort of deviance, like being left wing, or not wanting to **** over football hooligan porn.

I suspect we need to be careful what we wish for when it comes to intel and its curation.

In the meantime, why not improve the psychometric testing when people apply for jobs that give them access to the weak and vulnerable, and kids? Do it properly. FFS.

As an aside a friend of ours has a job dealing with kids with special needs. I won't go into details about one recent case but it is clear there is a silo into which families and kids can fall, which ends when the kid grows up a bit to rape or kill someone, as one10 year old boy in a social service limbo surely will, according to my friend. It's quite shocking and depressing in equal measure.

We have taken out eye off the ball in the this country over the last ten years, with an obsession with the EU, in my view. Meantime systems are failing. Where I work, the old patrician professors have been replaced by jobsworth ninnies with so much energy. So much .

 

[sydney]

This is something that should never, EVER happen.

Microchips are for pets not humans.

yeah but ......

 

[sydney]

The clever aeronautical kunnts couldn't track a fukken great big 'plane over the pacific though.

post of the month , year . epoch .........whatever .....good but, serious.

 

[Wardy's twin]

It would be the death knell of detective fiction though.

"How on earth did you solve that unfathomable riddle, Holmes?"
"I took some DNA samples from the scene, Watson, and had them checked against the database."
"Amazing, Holmes - what next?"
"I informed Inspector Lestrade of the villain's name and address and he went round with a couple of constables and nabbed the blighter."
"Incredible, Holmes!"
"Elementary, my dear Watson."

At least the books would be very short ...............................

Holmes would be alright as they hadn't discovered DNA... a whole lot more Victorian sleuth models on the way...