Minutes applause for the Albion fan who sadly passed away at Falmer.

[chaileyjem]

"The minutes silence has now been totally devalued to the point of being worthless now. "

We'll we've had a minutes "applause" not silence twice this season out of 22 matches for a lifelong Brighton fan who was notoriously murdered in a national news story.
And for someone who died just after he had left the ground.

The Shoreham tributes (a mix of applause and silence in various games) were after an extraordinary and tragic national news story that was unprecedented for the area.

*sorry i realise this was first quoted by Ernest - Titanic - so this is a reply to Ernie.

 

[chaileyjem]

It's fairly easy for a player to re-tweet something - it doesn't mean they want it done. Pressure on them to re-tweet it too.

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Several of the players didn't retweet anything. They spontaneously included references to the fan in their tweets on Friday night. I think fair to say that the squad were made aware of the news and any reaction was genuine.

 

[Ernest]

Whats "proper" ? . Clapping to mark deaths at football matches whilst they are happening is something thats just as proper, and (for some) more appropriate than a minutes silence pre-match.
The Amex has already done it once this season for Don Lock at their families request for example. And minutes applause are far more common , pre-match , these days at the request of families than silence.

Applause only started as people were not respecting the minutes silence, soon it will be wave a scarf or something as the applause won't be respected and so on.

It's like everything now, people have to make a big show out of something as it's part of the 'look at me' society we are in.

 

[BlueSeagull]

Applause only started as people were not respecting the minutes silence, soon it will be wave a scarf or something as the applause won't be respected and so on.

It's like everything now, people have to make a big show out of something as it's part of the 'look at me' society we are in.

Ernest, were you born a ****? Or have you just practised it over your lifetime? You have pretty much perfected it mate, bravo.

 

[Ernest]

Ernest, were you born a ****? Or have you just practised it over your lifetime? You have pretty much perfected it mate, bravo.

Grief police ALERT

 

[Bozza]

Grief police ALERT

Whether you feel it yourself or not, if you are truly unable to see why some people may be affected by the death of a fellow fan, happening only a few minutes after the game we all enjoyed so much on Friday night, then you are a little bit strange.

I didn't contribute before today because I felt uncomfortable about how a group of seeming strangers were seeking to mark this tragic event when we knew so little of the poor soul involved, and there was no indication that the family left behind were comfortable with the approach being suggested. I don't however doubt the good intentions of those who proposed this.

You are probably correct that there is a debate to be had about how respect is shown around incidents such as these. However, it doesn't feel to me as though this is the place for that debate, given it is focused on a specific passing that is so recent and will be raw for those close to it.

This feels like one of those situations where, if you have nothing nice to say, you really are better off saying nothing at all. Please adhere to that out of common decency if nothing else.

The family have indicated their wishes and you are free to do whatever you feel is appropriate tomorrow night.

 

[Ernest]

Whether you feel it yourself or not, if you are truly unable to see why some people may be affected by the death of a fellow fan, happening only a few minutes after the game we all enjoyed so much on Friday night, then you are a little bit strange.

I didn't contribute before today because I felt uncomfortable about how a group of seeming strangers were seeking to mark this tragic event when we knew so little of the poor soul involved, and there was no indication that the family left behind were comfortable with the approach being suggested. I don't however doubt the good intentions of those who proposed this.

You are probably correct that there is a debate to be had about how respect is shown around incidents such as these. However, it doesn't feel to me as though this is the place for that debate, given it is focused on a specific passing that is so recent and will be raw for those close to it.

This feels like one of those situations where, if you have nothing nice to say, you really are better off saying nothing at all. Please adhere to that out of common decency if nothing else.

The family have indicated their wishes and you are free to do whatever you feel is appropriate tomorrow night.

I would rather have had the minutes applause if there was to be one before the match so it means something rather than lost in the middle of the match.

 

[chaileyjem]

Applause only started as people were not respecting the minutes silence.

Thats not true. Its a choice. Some families and occasions ask for it or prefer it.
As for silences then Albion crowds/fans have respected various silences impeccably this season. eg: Shoreham, Remembrance Sunday and very moving they both were.
I'm sure you were there Ernie.

 

[Aveacarlin']

Hope QPR dont get a penalty in the fifth minute then.

Sorry but that made me chuckle.

 

[GT49er]

Thats not true. Its a choice. Some families and occasions ask for it or prefer it.
As for silences then Albion crowds/fans have respected various silences impeccably this season. eg: Shoreham, Remembrance Sunday and very moving they both were.
I'm sure you were there Ernie.

Albion may have been respecting minute's silences impeccably, but elsewhere it was not the case. It only takes one or two to f*** up a silence - and it was often more than that. Several minute's 'silences' were an embarrassment, with people shouting and swearing.
Referees rightly began to assess the mood when 'minute's' silences were taking place - the whistle was often blown - either to end the misery, or to stop the groundswell of non-silence getting out of hand - after barely twenty seconds. It was a blessed relief when some bright spark came up with the idea of the minute's applause. One idiot - or even a dozen or two idiots - can't do much to disrupt a minute's applause; they could - and often did - make a mockery of a silence.

 

[dazzer6666]

Albion may have been respecting minute's silences impeccably, but elsewhere it was not the case. It only takes one or two to f*** up a silence - and it was often more than that. Several minute's 'silences' were an embarrassment, with people shouting and swearing.
Referees rightly began to assess the mood when 'minute's' silences were taking place - the whistle was often blown - either to end the misery, or to stop the groundswell of non-silence getting out of hand - after barely twenty seconds. It was a blessed relief when some bright spark came up with the idea of the minute's applause. One idiot - or even a dozen or two idiots - can't do much to disrupt a minute's applause; they could - and often did - make a mockery of a silence.

Spot on.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Not sure why the club can't just do an announcement before the start sending their condolences etc ? The minutes silence (and why a minutes applause if someone has died I do not know) has now been totally devalued to the point of being worthless now.

The grief bandwagon has gone into overdrive now, everyone must be seen to parade their feelings in public and if you don't the grief police will be jumping down your throat.

Displays of public grief were pretty rare in this country up to a few years ago but the death of Princess Diana changed all that. Hundreds of people took to the streets, weeping and wailing and publicly breaking down with emotion. It took the older generation by surprise and many were shocked by this outpouring for someone that the vast majority didn't even know.
It seems that this was the catalyst or permission for anyone and everyone to break down in public at the drop of a hat. I can see your point. Its reached a level now where ritual outpouring of grief is just the norm. A minute of silence at a public event used to be very very special. Now it is so commonplace ( also a minute of applause ) that it is in serious danger of being devalued.
I have no issue with it being reserved for special occasions. The frequency at present is becoming too much.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Albion may have been respecting minute's silences impeccably, but elsewhere it was not the case. It only takes one or two to f*** up a silence - and it was often more than that. Several minute's 'silences' were an embarrassment, with people shouting and swearing.
Referees rightly began to assess the mood when 'minute's' silences were taking place - the whistle was often blown - either to end the misery, or to stop the groundswell of non-silence getting out of hand - after barely twenty seconds. It was a blessed relief when some bright spark came up with the idea of the minute's applause. One idiot - or even a dozen or two idiots - can't do much to disrupt a minute's applause; they could - and often did - make a mockery of a silence.

The biggest problem with a minute of silence is the situation of people arriving late and not being aware of what is going on inside the ground. Maybe stewards should be instructed to tell everybody entering that a minute of silence is underway or just about to start. It is not uncommon to hear banging and shouting on the concourse, even when the tribute has started. In a crowd of 25,000 it is unrealistic to expect to be able to hear a pin drop. You just hope for minimal disturbance.
Applause has negated a lot of these problems and seems to be the way forward now but as I said in another post, I am worried that we will be reaching a stage where these tributes become so many that they start to be devalued.

 

[The Clamp]

RIP Dennis.

The minute applause? Very odd idea in the circumstance.

 

[chaileyjem]

I have no issue with it being reserved for special occasions. The frequency at present is becoming too much.

Shoreham and national events (Remembrance Sunday) aside, this will be the 2nd time this season that fans/the club have paid tribute to the passing of a fan out of 22 league games.

 

[symyjym]

Grandson Matt said: “We have been blown away by how much support and messages of condolences there have been, and not just from Albion fans.

“When it happened it was the worst moment you could possibly imagine but on reflection you probably could not choose a better way to go with his son and grandson by his side and having just watched Brighton win 5-0.

http://m.theargus.co.uk/news/144361...family_and__ecstatic__from_Seagulls__victory/

 

[Triggaaar]

When something like this is organised (by the club, rather than a fan-led thing) I honestly don't get the 'applause in the nth minute' thing, whether the 'n' is the person's age, or whatever other significance. If you really want to mark somebody's passing, with a mark of respect, why not just do a proper minute's silence / applause before kick off? Anything else seems a bit half-hearted to me.

I think this is just fine for Mr Caesar. If a club legend dies, of course we want a big tribute. Fans don't often die practically at the ground, so I think a small fan led tribute is appropriate.

Of course there is the danger that word won't get around if someone doesn't post this on Seagulls Chat.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Still think a fan-led campaign to install a defibrillator at Falmer station would be far more of a fitting and lasting tribute to Dennis, rather than some random minute's applause.

 

[Triggaaar]

Applause only started as people were not respecting the minutes silence, soon it will be wave a scarf or something as the applause won't be respected and so on.

It's like everything now, people have to make a big show out of something as it's part of the 'look at me' society we are in.

Don't worry Ernest, we'll all be cheering when you kick the bucket

 

[symyjym]

Don't worry Ernest, we'll all be cheering when you kick the bucket

I would chip in for the firework display.