Ministers rule out smacking ban

[Bozza]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7061603.stm

phew

 

[Barrel of Fun]

You would think they would, if it constitutes child abuse...?

 

[Seagullible]

thank f*** for that

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Oh the memories......the words are still crystal clear



'I'll tan your f***ing hide'

 

[Nibble]

At some point in the future we will look back on smacking children and view it with regret. It will be viewed with the same disgust and disbelief as spousal abuse. It is a shame the law was not tightened as many people see this law as a moral ruler to measure their own views. If the law says it is ok, then it must be ok.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

bottled it again

 

[Lokki 7]

It will be viewed with the same disgust and disbelief as spousal abuse.

I disbelieve that anyone could be disgusted with such an established pillar of marital life.

 

[Nibble]

It's like the last place the law fears to tread. I can see why. the amount of hassle it would cause to prosecute parents. That added to the thousands of parents whose stock response is always "What? tell me how to raise my child? I'll smack 'em if I want to, never did me any harm" etc (which, I imagine was pretty much the same response husbands would give when spousal abuse was questioned).

I doubt that you would get very many successful prosecutiuons anyway. You still rarely get a conviction for spousal abuse.

 

[Freddie Goodwin.]

At some time in the future you may become a parent and, like so many before, realise just what a tough job it is and how all those things that 'parents' have done wrong before you and that you can do so much better turn out to be not so far off the mark after all.

That's how it turned out for me and now I see my kids and other family members who 'knew so much' having to come to terms with the reality of parenting.

Ok, the ideal is that you should never have to resort to smacking. Anything more than the occasional smack is a failure anyway. But, the deterent must be there. It's there in nature, it's there in politics, it's there in the real world.

Bringing up kids can be a battle of wills. Kids will always try to stretch the limits. There's a local 'Brat Camp' story of a mother & daughter in Bognor, the mother has spoilt the kid rotton, and that's how it is for so many kids now.

My kids were good kids and have grown into good adults. Tone of voice was nearly always enough. I remember my mum always had her wooden spoon, enough to keep us in check, and there was always "Wait 'til your father gets home...."

If smacking was made illeagal then would we get cases where kids got their own back by reporting parents who would then find the rug pulled from under them in regards to disipline? Could we also see kids put into homes and parents into prison and just who would that benefit?

There's disiplne and there's abuse. The need is recognising the difference and dealing with the abusers.

 

[British Bulldog]

Common sense prevails

 

[Nibble]

At some time in the future you may become a parent and, like so many before, realise just what a tough job it is and how all those things that 'parents' have done wrong before you and that you can do so much better turn out to be not so far off the mark after all.

That's how it turned out for me and now I see my kids and other family members who 'knew so much' having to come to terms with the reality of parenting.

Ok, the ideal is that you should never have to resort to smacking. Anything more than the occasional smack is a failure anyway. But, the deterent must be there. It's there in nature, it's there in politics, it's there in the real world.

Bringing up kids can be a battle of wills. Kids will always try to stretch the limits. There's a local 'Brat Camp' story of a mother & daughter in Bognor, the mother has spoilt the kid rotton, and that's how it is for so many kids now.

My kids were good kids and have grown into good adults. Tone of voice was nearly always enough. I remember my mum always had her wooden spoon, enough to keep us in check, and there was always "Wait 'til your father gets home...."

If smacking was made illeagal then would we get cases where kids got their own back by reporting parents who would then find the rug pulled from under them in regards to disipline? Could we also see kids put into homes and parents into prison and just who would that benefit?

There's disiplne and there's abuse. The need is recognising the difference and dealing with the abusers.

I think the argument "You don't know what it's like to be a parent etc" has been used and discarded by now.I'm not married but I knowe I will never hit my future wife. I don't own a dog but I know I would never kick it if I did.
I have never been a drink driver but my opinion on drink drivers is valid. I have never murdered anyone but my opinion on murderers is valid. Yet somehow my opinion on hitting children is invalid. That argument is tired, it is irrelevant and it is, to be honest, quite lame.

I promise you, in the future, hitting children will be viewed with the dis-taste it so badly deserves.

 

[Dave the OAP]

I think the argument "You don't know what it's like to be a parent etc" has been used and discarded by now.I'm not married but I knowe I will never hit my future wife. I don't own a dog but I know I would never kick it if I did.
I have never been a drink driver but my opinion on drink drivers is valid. I have never murdered anyone but my opinion on murderers is valid. Yet somehow my opinion on hitting children is invalid. That argument is tired, it is irrelevant and it is, to be honest, quite lame.

I promise you, in the future, hitting children will be viewed with the dis-taste it so badly deserves.

absolute tosh......but I respect your right to believe such tosh

 

[Nibble]

[Ok, the ideal is that you should never have to resort to smacking. Anything more than the occasional smack is a failure anyway. But, the deterent must be there. It's there in nature, it's there in politics, it's there in the real world.


Do you not see how backward that sounds?

 

[Nibble]

absolute tosh......but I respect your right to believe such tosh

Which part do you believe to be tosh? It comes as no shock that the people who come across as the most patronising on these threads are also the ones who advocate corporal punishment.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

On the starboard bow .................

 

[WATFORD zero]

I knew everything once

 

[Nibble]

I knew everything once

Not saying I know everything, and it is surely the easiest way to dis-credit an argument (by being patronising) but I honestly, honestly can say that no-matter how old I am when I have kids, no-matter what they do I WILL NOT HIT THEM.

I am stunne dthat people find that so hard to swallow. Perhaps it is an easy way for you to justify the mistakes you have made?

 

[British Bulldog]

I promise you, in the future, hitting children will be viewed with the dis-taste it so badly deserves.

Just remember that if you get picked on by a couple of chavs on your way home one night Nibble, What you gonna do if you did? Give em a whack or look for a naughty step to sit them on?

 

[Dave the OAP]

Which part do you believe to be tosh? It comes as no shock that the people who come across as the most patronising on these threads are also the ones who advocate corporal punishment.

with all due respect, come back when you have had experience of bringing up children and I will certainly argue the toss with you. You obviously have extremely blinkered views and nothing I could say or do as Mr Rusthall found will divert you from those views, therefore at this moment I fail to see the point in continuing.....but as I said we are all in agreement that child abuse is something we all abore, but where we differ is the assumption that a small sharp slap when all else has failed is tantamount to abuse.

 

[Nibble]

Just remember that if you get picked on by a couple of chavs on your way home one night Nibble, What you gonna do if you did? Give em a whack or look for a naughty step to sit them on?

Well, for a start, that is a completely seperate issue. You would be acting in self defence. You seem to jave this idea that because I don't agree with hitting a child then I must be some kind of "new man". I spent years arresting "chavs" and used plenty of force in doing so, just think there is a differance between a child acting up and a teenager trying to mug you. D'Ya see?