[News] Mike Amesbury MP - Rocky VIII: Backbench Brawler

[jcdenton08]

Blimey. Maybe I live in a parallel universe, but I never understand the compulsion to punch someone in the head.

Another debate but it's the main reason I've never understood boxing. For every pissed up MP there are millions cheering on an upper cut.

Twat.

Prize fighters are skilled professionals, fighting in a controlled setting, rather than pissed up on concrete streets with no rules or oversight at 3am.

Fair enough for your view on boxing (I love it) which I completely understand, but I don’t think drunken street fights are quite the same personally, however fundamentally they seem on the surface

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Totally agree, love seeing Alan just completely out of his depth like that. It’s brilliantly acted.

This could be the greatest thread derailment of all time. If the thread were locked now, and defrosted in 100 years, with only your post identifiable from its DNA record, they would think, well, you can guess the rest.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Northern bloke who likes Rugby League beats someone up drunk at 3am in the North of England. I can't believe it.

 

[clapham_gull]

Prize fighters are skilled professionals, fighting in a controlled setting, rather than pissed up on concrete streets with no rules or oversight at 3am.

Fair enough for your view on boxing (I love it) which I completely understand, but I don’t think drunken street fights are quite the same personally, however fundamentally they seem on the surface

Ha ha.

Brighton played Oldham away years ago and having gone to Manchester University a few of us stayed up there for old times sake.

There was some big fight happening in Manchester that night and everyone was watching in the hotel bar, oddly very many people.

It made sense afterwards when the winning boxer and entire his entourage came into the hotel.

What you rarely see on TV is what happens after the swelling and how the head reacts to being punched.

You are right in calling the sport controlled. Part of that control is ensuring you as a fan of gets to see what they want you to see.

A punch to the head is a punch to head.

 

[jcdenton08]

Ha ha.

Brighton played Oldham away years ago and having gone to Manchester University a few of us stayed up there for old times sake.

There was some big fight happening in Manchester that night and everyone was watching in the hotel bar, oddly very many people.

It made sense afterwards when the winning boxer and entire his entourage came into the hotel.

What you rarely see on TV is what happens afterl, the swelling and how the head reacts to being punched.

You are right in calling the sport controlled. Part of that control is ensuring you as a fan of gets to see what they want you to see.

A punch to the head is a punch to head.

The same can and has been argued about repeatedly heading a football, heavy tackles in rugby, American football, ice hockey and so on. I appreciate the point, as I say.

 

[clapham_gull]

The same can and has been argued about repeatedly heading a football, heavy tackles in rugby, American football, ice hockey and so on. I appreciate the point, as I say.

It could be said, but let's face it, it would be bollocks.

A punch to the head is a punch to the head. Most people get over it, in the ring or in the street but there is very little difference between them medically.

 

[jcdenton08]

It could be said, but let's face it, it would be bollocks.

A punch to the head is a punch to the head. Most people get over it, in the ring or in the street but there is very little difference between them medically.

Well, no, that’s wrong, because often it isn’t the punch which kills, but hitting the head on concrete from the fall. And in a boxing ring there is a referee, which there isn’t in a street fight. And trained medical personnel standing by, with the fight being sanctioned by a governing body, determined by ability and weight classes, which isn’t the case for street fights.

But let’s leave it there, because this thread was specifically about a callous and sustained assault by a sitting member of parliament, not combat sports.

 

[clapham_gull]

But let’s leave it there.

You can leave whatever you want anywhere, but if I wish to talk on a subject I feel strongly about I will.

As can you.

 

[jcdenton08]

You can leave whatever you want anywhere, but if I wish to talk on a subject I feel strongly about I will.

As can you.

Just so dreadful to see a Labour MP sucker punch and then beat up a downed man on a street at 3am. Disgusting behaviour.

 

[TugWilson]

My old boss was killed as a result of being punched in similar circumstances and he didn’t have any impacting conditions.

Cowardly thug who needs jail time.

Very sorry to hear that , but if you think about it there are a lot of vital parts in a very small area , especially if as has been said , it results hitting something hard .

 

[aftershavedave]

Just so dreadful to see a Labour MP sucker punch and then beat up a downed man on a street at 3am. Disgusting behaviour.

I agree completely it's a very bad look. But, what if this stalker (which it seems is alleged by the MP) had threatened to rape and kill his daughter (if he has one). All I'm saying is that there is probably a lot more to this story than we know

 

[TugWilson]

Great, you're commenting on something that you haven't seen and of course it has a bearing. There is every reason to doubt it because he wasn't walking away! They are face to face and we have no idea what is being said or what threats were made before, if any. Of course, it still doesn't look great for the now independent MP!

I specifically chose not to watch the video , i chose to read the thread , i got a detail wrong , how did me not watching the video stop the idiot committing the crime - or is that not the really important bit ?

 

[jcdenton08]

I agree completely it's a very bad look. But, what if this stalker (which it seems is alleged by the MP) had threatened to rape and kill his daughter (if he has one). All I'm saying is that there is probably a lot more to this story than we know

Hypothetically yes, that would be horrible, but wouldn’t be grounds for claiming self-defence in a legal sense. Provocation can be used as a mitigating circumstance, but without evidence it would be up for a judge to consider at sentencing or a jury to decide if it went to trial.

Also, it hasn’t been established (yet) that the stalker and this individual are one and the same, or that he has said any such thing. Everything disclosed so far is very damning.

He’ll most likely get with his solicitor again tomorrow to talk through his options and version of events.

 

[TugWilson]

Of course, but the post I quoted was claiming split second timing.

I think he knew what he was going to do if the chance arose , when the other guy looked away he had enough adrenalin to throw a cowards punch , nothing split second about it imo .

 

[TugWilson]

I just think it’s entirely common to be effective in a fight even when hammered drunk. I’ve seen it myself many, many times.

Adrenalin heightens and quickens the senses , even when plastered

 

[London Irish]

Another one of Keir Starmer’s high-quality candidates

 

[clapham_gull]

Another one of Keir Starmer’s high-quality candidates

He named his dog after Jeremy Corbyn.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Playing devils advocate, what if the bloke he hit had been threatening the MP and his family or friends inside the restaurant. What if he had threatened to rape his wife and murder his kids next time the MP was down in London. What if he had punched the MP out of sight of the camera and was standing there threatening to lamp him again. I agree that all the evidence doesn't look good for his future as an MP, or even as a free man, but I'm sure the CPS will consider all the evidence and not just footage on social media.

I agree completely it's a very bad look. But, what if this stalker (which it seems is alleged by the MP) had threatened to rape and kill his daughter (if he has one). All I'm saying is that there is probably a lot more to this story than we know

These 2 comments come across as a bit like the 'she deserved to be raped because of the way she dressed / she acted beforehand' type excuses being made to justify an abhorrent action. They appear to be wild speculation at this point, being used to try to justify and excuse that sort of violent behaviour and to try to paint it as an acceptable form of action in the 'right' circumstances

If that really were the case here and there really were those sorts of comments / threats being made beforehand (by the victim in this case) then why not just simply call the Police and report it rather than resort to violence ?

I wonder if there would be the same view / attempt to excuse the behaviour being made if this had involved an MP from a different political party instead.

 

[drew]

These 2 comments come across as a bit like the 'she deserved to be raped because of the way she dressed / she acted beforehand' type excuses being made to justify an abhorrent action. They appear to be wild speculation at this point, being used to try to justify and excuse that sort of violent behaviour and to try to paint it as an acceptable form of action in the 'right' circumstances

If that really were the case here and there really were those sorts of comments / threats being made beforehand (by the victim in this case) then why not just simply call the Police and report it rather than resort to violence ?

I wonder if there would be the same view / attempt to excuse the behaviour being made if this had involved an MP from a different political party instead.

Really? Quite a moronic comparison. Any case will be decided on all the evidence, not just a couple of clips on social media that have tickled your fancy. Just to remind you that both leading parties have had a sitting MP murdered in recent years. I think you're the first to try and bring party politics into it.

 

[The Clamp]

In my opinion, this story is too big to rest solely in the political threads, which many have on ignore for various reasons.

Labour suspends MP Mike Amesbury after CCTV appears to show him punching man

Mike Amesbury also has the whip withdrawn following an incident in which he said he "felt threatened".

www.bbc.co.uk

Mike Amesbury (soon to be former) MP suspended and whip withdrawn - you’d hope for an arrest in the coming days.

Absolutely disgusting.

That’s for Daily Mail written all over it.