[News] Middle East conflict

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Perhaps read back on the thread and you will realise why people on NSC, including myself bother to comment on here now or very little. Everything you said in your post above, I and a few others have said hundreds of times over

The Hague needs to ready itself for some evil people.

 

[Eeyore]

Would encourage folk to read up on items from groups like HRH and Amnesty

Israel/Palestine | Country Page | World | Human Rights Watch

www.hrw.org

Israel defying ICJ ruling to prevent genocide by failing to allow aid into Gaza

One month after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered “immediate and effective measures” to protect Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip from the risk of genocide by ensuring sufficient humanitarian assistance and enabling basic services, Israel has failed to take even the bare...

www.amnesty.org

 

[armchairclubber]

Very large numbers on the peaceful march through central Brighton yesterday.

Just as with cental London (where numbers reach a cautious estimate of 300,000) these demonstrations are given very little exposure by the mainstream media and shed in negative light. An obvious mandate to downplay by the British press whilst allowing accusations of extremism to be cast.

 

[knocky1]

Yes after Rishi's Friday announcement I decided I had to join the extremists yesterday.
It was a funereal march of mourning the victims of October 7th and the dead children of Gaza.
The names of hundreds of dead children were read out over the tannoy to a solitary drumbeat.
At the Clock Tower we put our hands in flour and our hands to our hearts for the deaths and maiming of the starving Palestinians who were shot by unknown assailants at a food convoy this week.
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[borat]

Yes after Rishi's Friday announcement I decided I had to join the extremists yesterday.
It was a funereal march of mourning the victims of October 7th and the dead children of Gaza.
The names of hundreds of dead children were read out over the tannoy to a solitary drumbeat.
At the Clock Tower we put our hands in flour and our hands to our hearts for the deaths and maiming of the starving Palestinians who were shot by unknown assailants at a food convoy this week.
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Respect for joining. The London ones are still going strong.

 

[Eeyore]

I'm listened to a lot of Yanis. His book about the inner workings of the EU, from his own experience, is eye opening.

He just explains thing in a calm and evidenced based way. He's hard to dismiss as an extremist, which causes a few struggles in some quarters. I met him in Brighton once.

 

[aolstudios]

Respect for joining. The London ones are still going strong.

No chance you'd be mourning the victims of October 7th

 

[Eeyore]

No chance you'd be mourning the victims of October 7th

How about explaining your reasons for disagreeing rather than putting silly laugh emojis on poster's entries. It's childish.

 

[borat]

I'm listened to a lot of Yanis. His book about the inner workings of the EU, from his own experience, is eye opening.

He just explains thing in a calm and evidenced based way. He's hard to dismiss as an extremist, which causes a few struggles in some quarters. I met him in Brighton once.

It is a great book - he has a way of distilling sometimes complex matters into something more digestible.

 

[aolstudios]

How about explaining your reasons for disagreeing rather than putting silly laugh emojis on poster's entries. It's childish.

Maybe check his posts & understand why I posted that

 

[Bakero]

Maybe check his posts & understand why I posted that

But you've replied with the laughing emoji to countless posts since October. Any alternative view is met with that or the "no Jews, no news" slogan.

 

[Zeberdi]

No chance you'd be mourning the victims of October 7th

You do know that expressing support for the civilians that continue to suffer from the most dire humanitarian crises and continual bombardment from the IDF carrying out Netanyahu’s policy agenda in Gaza is not mutually exclusive of condemning the atrocities carried out by Hamas on 7/10 - you do know that? I know you do.

However, more concerning is the hostages still being held in Gaza by various jihadist groups that Netanyahu has completely failed to rescue/negotiate release. Thousands of Israelis are protesting weekly now against the apparent policy of bombing Gaza back into the stone age pushing the rescue of the hostages onto the back burner- relatives and friends are completely distraught with how little the welfare of their loved ones are being disregarded in this punishing war against Palestinians in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-tel-aviv-rally-protesters-denounce-government-call-for-new-elections/amp/

Netanyahu has repeatedly refused to negotiate for their release, agree to temporary ceasefires to get aid in ( which would help the hostages as well as civilians) and has boycotted the most recent talks aiming to get the hostages released.

If you care for as the Israeli victims as you say you do, ( and I’m not doubting that you do) your anger should be directed at the far Right Wing factions in the Israeli Government for prioritising a longterm extreme right wing agenda over the welfare of hostages still being held in Gaza and for the families and relatives pleading with their Governments to negotiate a settlement or ceasefire to get them released.

Netanyahu allies lash out at Gantz over Washington trip

Minister’s White House visit lays bare growing tensions within Israel’s war cabinet

www.ft.com

Netanyahu is on his way out and the US know it

Netanyahu rival Benny Gantz to meet US leaders

Opposition politician’s visit hints at cracks in Israeli government and growing frustration in Washington over Gaza war.

www.aljazeera.com

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[aolstudios]

But you've replied with the laughing emoji to countless posts since October. Any alternative view is met with that or the "no Jews, no news" slogan.

I've pretty much given up on commenting on this thread, among various others whose views are broadly similar, as when we do the same bunch of members pile on & scream at/lecture us. I don't have the time, energy, or in certain members cases, the faith that they're posting in good faith to spend most of my days arguing my way out of a pile on. Our view on this thread is a minority one (or maybe we don't scream so loud?) but that doesn't make it wrong. If anybody sincerely wants to chat about the situation privately, feel free.

 

[armchairclubber]

UK ministers consider ban on MPs engaging with pro-Palestine and climate protesters https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...mps-engaging-pro-palestine-climate-protesters

 

[Zeberdi]

I've pretty much given up on commenting on this thread, among various others whose views are broadly similar, as when we do the same bunch of members pile on & scream at/lecture us. I don't have the time, energy, or in certain members cases, the faith that they're posting in good faith to spend most of my days arguing my way out of a pile on. Our view on this thread is a minority one (or maybe we don't scream so loud?) but that doesn't make it wrong. If anybody sincerely wants to chat about the situation privately, feel free.

My post was hardly a pile on - was just to reiterate that commenting on and condemning the mass slaughter of Palestinians is NOT mutually exclusive of also condemning the mass slaughter of Israeli civilians on 7/10.

You seem to want to try and polarise the discussion as if those appalled at the treatment of civilians in Gaza were not also appalled by the slaughter of Israeli civilians in October. That is insulting and suggests we are heartless monsters.

Must every comment have a perpetual addendum attached - ’The writer of this post condemns without qualification the massacre carried out by Hamas”. Can you not assume we do?

If you want to raise ongoing issues about Israeli victims/hostages then do so - no one has a problem with that. But stop using the massacre to make repeated digs at those highlighting what is happening to civilians in Gaza because it is you coming across with having an agenda or posting in bad faith frankly..

And btw, If you read my post again, all of it was relating to the situation with hostages and how awful it is for their families and friends. It didn’t deserve the response from you it got.

 

[aolstudios]

My post was hardly a pile on - was just to reiterate that commenting on and condemning the mass slaughter of Palestinians is NOT mutually exclusive of also condemning the mass slaughter of Israeli civilians on 7/10.

You seem to want to try and polarise the discussion as if those appalled at the treatment of civilians in Gaza were not also appalled by the slaughter of Israeli civilians in October. That is insulting and suggests we are heartless monsters.

Must every comment have a perpetual addendum attached - ’The writer of this post condemns without qualification the massacre carried out by Hamas”. Can you not assume we do?

If you want to raise ongoing issues about Israeli victims/hostages then do so - no one has a problem with that. But stop using the massacre to make repeated digs at those highlighting what is happening to civilians in Gaza because it is you coming across with having an agenda or posting in bad faith frankly..

And btw, If you read my post again, all of it was relating to the situation with hostages and how awful it is for their families and friends. It didn’t deserve the response from you it got.

I wasn't responding to or referring to your post

 

[nicko31]

UK ministers consider ban on MPs engaging with pro-Palestine and climate protesters https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...mps-engaging-pro-palestine-climate-protesters

Again the Tories only believe in freedom of expression if it’s in agreement with them.

Still can’t believe Sunak did that address last Friday, he’s so desperate

 

[A1X]

Again the Tories only believe in freedom of expression if it’s in agreement with them.

Still can’t believe Sunak did that address last Friday, he’s so desperate

It genuinely wouldn’t be the huge shock to me it might once have seemed for this to be a start of a “too dangerous, no election” putsch

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I've pretty much given up on commenting on this thread, among various others whose views are broadly similar, as when we do the same bunch of members pile on & scream at/lecture us. I don't have the time, energy, or in certain members cases, the faith that they're posting in good faith to spend most of my days arguing my way out of a pile on. Our view on this thread is a minority one (or maybe we don't scream so loud?) but that doesn't make it wrong. If anybody sincerely wants to chat about the situation privately, feel free.

Your view is a minority one because most decent humans don't want babies or innocent civilians starving to death. Sadly it appears it is what the IDF want.

World Food Programme says northern Gaza aid convoy blocked

The UN agency says Israeli forces turned back a convoy of 14 lorries taking aid to northern Gaza.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[nicko31]

You can see how hard its going to be to get any settlement...

‘No sexual abuse of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails’, says former Knesset member

Benny Gantz may be part of Benjamin Netanyahu's war cabinet but he has provoked criticism from within the Israeli government for his visit to Washington DC.

www.channel4.com