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One of us posted one specific vid to one specific post. The other one of us advocates 'dismantling Israel'. Guess which one of us is the kvnt?
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[News] Middle East conflict
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CliveWalkerWingWizard
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Anybody supporting Israel’s treatment of palestinians is deluded. Just as is anybody supporting Hamas.
The isreali government actions are deplorable as are the actions of Hamas.
Palestinian civilians are innocent.
cleverly choosing to highlight one extremists view is misguided in my opinion. I am disgusted that our government will not support a ceasefire when thousands of innocent children are being killed, some would say murdered.
The isreali government actions are deplorable as are the actions of Hamas.
Palestinian civilians are innocent.
cleverly choosing to highlight one extremists view is misguided in my opinion. I am disgusted that our government will not support a ceasefire when thousands of innocent children are being killed, some would say murdered.
Your blind support for a group/country/faith (call it what you will) betrays you. You must have a vested interest to be so blind to the evil that has been committed by BOTH sides. I have never seen you divulge this before, but it would at least offer some contexG to your viewpoint. If you have been entirely open about your reasons for supporting the Israelis then I have missed it, although any fair minded person cannot come to any conclusion other than both sides are culpable. How you can defend the death of EIGHT THOUSAND children is beyond me, how you can expect one side to steal homes and land from another while protected by so called ‘defence’ personal and there to be no anger, bitterness or desire for revenge is just stupid. As for snipers taking out kids for throwing rocks, well lucky me for not having been born a Palestinian!
armchairclubber
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Some claim that as a nation we can do nothing, rather conveniently, whilst yet again we meddle and profit from the situation with overseas arms trading at length and out of harms reach.
Unfortunately we have two lapdogs in Sunak and Starmer with no real opposition to the present situation of Israels continued over agression from either front bench.
The release of hundreds of hostages unharmed by Hamas suggested to me they have / were showing willing to progress to talks without 'exterminating' either Israel or all Jews as some would claim .... and indeed that they would be keen to if some support could be found from the Western powers that could have influence and accomodate towards this
However our understanding or propaganda will not allow it.
To be clear, I don't condone either Hamas agression or that by Israel, but would like a direction of peace to be found for the Palestinian people.
Israel made it clear they were not willing to negotiate even during the ceasefire but that they would continue with their unrestrained aggression once hostages were released.
Leaders often do verbalise a very hard or aggressive stance and give threat, whether they might have at their disposal or be prepared to use a nuclear power or other terrifying weapons in declaring or defending different interests or for reasons of negotiation. Maybe in prevention of war.. or continuing with war.. no different to Thatcher, Bush, Blair, Putin, Kim and Trump and Netenyahu.
Is this Hamas so called spokesperson really that far from the norm with his statements, even if unpopular? Whilst wanting to be seen as strong talking and claiming he might like to annihilate Israel (whilst having no real power to do so), it's quite obvious the reality of what is actually occurring is quite the opposite.
I'd like to see at least a suspension of British arms trading with Israel which I would hope, as a starting point, would send a less supportive message to Israel of the Genocide that is taking place.
Someone made what I thought was a valid comment some time ago in that if peace is to be found here then history needs to start today. Even tomorrow for that matter. It needs a total change in attitude from all sides. Whataboutery doesn't really help.
I'll get me coat though cos i can't really be doing with the backlash from Sunak & Starmer boys, or other.
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Haven’t seen this, can you provide a source?
Greenbag50
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Or the leader of Hamas is on record saying he wants to wipe Israel completely away…. No squaring that circle with negotiation.
Always two sides
Greenbag50
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Always two sides, but one side is always morally superior and more accepted than the other, even though what they say/think is morally wrong and at best anti- Semitic, saying they wish ill on a very sizeable minority of the Jewish faith.
Not good.
I have never stated that I wish ill on a sizeable minority of any Muslim state.
I do however have a major problem with a religion which doesn’t tolerate other religions and must subjugate followers of other religions to follow it. Whose followers openly punish and kill those who don’t follow the scriptures, who stone women openly in the streets, and who allow their men to marry 12 year old girls.
Can’t think of another religion which allows this.
aolstudios
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You can't seriously negotiate or find compromise with people who just want to kill you all
armchairclubber
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Yada yada yada.
.. so by that, should the opportunity even present itself, Hamas should not consider negotiating or finding compromise with Israel
Notice how I did not call for Israelis as a group of people to be targeted, just the taking apart of a regime that is not in any way humanitarian, that commits war crimes, and is practicing genocide.
I call for this to preserve as much human life as possible. What makes you unable to look for a compromise with the civilian Palestinian population?
aolstudios
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If Israel wanted to kill all Palestinians, they could've done it on October the 8th. Without sending in troops on the ground & sustaining casualties of their own. Your post is both ridiculous & ignorant
How many Muslim countries allow marriage at 12 and stonings?
Understood, it is certainly an issue, but many Muslims do not allow or accept this kind of behaviour.
Greenbag50
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Greenbag50
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That’s ok then…the many Muslims worldwide who don’t agree, should be stopping it. I don’t see it anywhere.
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We have covered this earlier in the thread in response to Islamophobic stereotyping…but suffice to say, violence against women is not confined to Muslim society nor is prearranged marriage - the Indian caste system for example allows child marriage, stoning/honour killings and yet your comments reveal a general bias against Islam.
Ending child marriage and adolescent empowerment
India has the largest number of brides in the world.
www.unicef.org
Indian couple stoned to death for marrying outside caste - World - The Jakarta Post
The 29-year-old couple, from the same village in the southern state of Karnataka, had married three years ago against the wishes of their families and moved to Bangalore and other cities in the region, and had two children.
Killing honour in the name of ‘honour killings’
Honour killing’ — also called ‘shame killing’ — is the murder of an individual, mostly by the victim’s own family members, to protect the ‘’dignity’’ and ‘’hono
Indian teenager stoned to death by her father and brother because she loved somebody from the wrong village
Police believe Pratibha Khan, 19, was dragged from her home by father Jagpal, 65, and oldest brother Pradeep, 36, who 'smashed her face beyond recognition' before strangling her to death.
As for the tweet above - NO ONE here supports Hamas and have said repeatedly Hamas’s treatment of its own people has been violent at times, always oppressive and non-representative of their needs so this tweet proves very little and, I would suggest, it is actually far less favourable to your arguments in support of Israel than you might think;
As a direct result of Israel’s continued bombardments, 93% of the population in Gaza (50% of them children) are at immediate threat of dying from crisis levels of hunger - Israel has blocked aid, bombed food stores, and in particular have targeted bakeries in Gaza. There is now absolute chaos around aid deliveries/supplies as you get in any famine ravished countries when starving people become out of control in an effort to get food. If Hamas is firing shots over the heads of those attacking aid trucks (nb not killing them) as they drive through the border crossing, then I can only assume they are protecting the supplies either for themselves or for civilians/hostages who are still stuck in Northern Gaza who are sick or dying or both.
I would ask not why is Hamas shooting at Gazans attacking the aid deliveries, but why is so little aid getting into Gaza at all, that is making civilians act in utter desperation for food and medicine.
Lethal combination of hunger and disease to lead to more deaths in Gaza
Hunger is ravaging Gaza, and this is expected to increase illness across the Strip, most acutely among children, pregnant and breastfeeding women, and older people.
Happy Christmas btw - I hope we can all have a truce for a few days
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armchairclubber
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aolstudios
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Skwarkbox? Seriously?
Surely there was something more moderate in der Stürmer?..
aolstudios
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A human alternative