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Every conflict in the Middle East is ultimately about oil or gas and Gaza is rich in both.
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[News] Middle East conflict
- Thread starter Greenbag50
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- Oct 20, 2022
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Palestine’s forgotten oil and gas resources
A fair distribution of oil and gas resources in the Levant Basin will be key to achieving peace in Israel-Palestine.
aolstudios
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Hamas raped murdered & live streamed those activities on 7th October because of oil?
So the religious death cult is irrelevant?
Control of routes to deliver oil / other supplies is often a factor. Good example is is the war in Yemen where due to its geographic location, control of the ports are crucial for maritime trade. The humanitarian situation in Yemen is horrific but has drifted out of the news.
aolstudios
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No Jews, no news
Interesting "analysis"..
Firstly, the war has been going on for 8 years so "news fatigue" sets in. Secondly Ukraine/Russia situation has taken over coverage. Lastly the US and UK are selling vast amount of arms and giving strategic support to Saudi Arabia - who have committed multiple war crimes.
It's therefore not helpful for our media to keep highlighting the situation. Outside the UK bubble e.g news from the "Global South" etc the situation is covered regularly.
The whole situation is utterly depressing, with no end in sight. In my opinion there will never be a proper peace and anyone who thinks that a two state solution is the answer might be in for a shock if it were ever to happen. When I used to travel to Israel/the West Bank, I sometimes used to talk about the 'two state solution' to my new found Palestinian friends and some would answer .... aaahhh but what would you do if someone took over your house and then offered to give you back several of the bedrooms.... well.
I also think that some posters on this thread need to take a step back for their own sanity, there's nothing anyone on here can do, no petitions or marches or anything else, we are impotent, only Israel's major backer, the US, has any influence, and an incandescant full of rage Israel will only stop when they believe that they have eradicated Hamas. Also, there appears to be little or no appetite for a ceasefire among the ordinary people of Israel, they are standing right behind their government.
If I was PM I would have called for a ceasefire along time ago when it became clear that the collateral damage to the innocent population became more important than the near impossible task of eradicating the psychos of Hamas from within that population
I also think that some posters on this thread need to take a step back for their own sanity, there's nothing anyone on here can do, no petitions or marches or anything else, we are impotent, only Israel's major backer, the US, has any influence, and an incandescant full of rage Israel will only stop when they believe that they have eradicated Hamas. Also, there appears to be little or no appetite for a ceasefire among the ordinary people of Israel, they are standing right behind their government.
If I was PM I would have called for a ceasefire along time ago when it became clear that the collateral damage to the innocent population became more important than the near impossible task of eradicating the psychos of Hamas from within that population
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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what's their solution then? all of the land returned to the Palastinians and the Jewish removed from Israel? the two state solution is a poor solution, while all the others available are worse.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Fast forward a hundred years, or maybe even fifty years, and there will be a solution. Maybe even a good solution. Just like there will be a united Ireland and a single Korea. Tho doubtless similar geo-political shit will pop up elsewhere on the globe to take its place and fill the vacuum. Same as it ever was
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I don't know, why are you asking me? I would like to see a working two state solution, I would love to see a peaceful solution, but based on conversations with some Palestinians, and my basic understanding of the region I'm not sure it will work long term. Also, do you think that the 100's of thousands of Palestinians that have just had the fcuk bombed out of them are going to be in any sort of conciliatory mood.
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No, I support the State of Israel's right to exist.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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not sure thats the same thing. the average irishman probably see themselves as Irish, whether Republic or NI. the people could, mostly, accept a unification. i expect its similar in Korea, both sides see themselves as Korean, with some different idealogy and leaderships that embed that. Palestinans and Israelis will never see themselves as the same on a fundemental level.
completey agree they arent in a mood for that right now. the point is arguements against the two state solution have one outcome - the other side gets cast out. it's implicit, like when they sing from the river to the sea. its one side or the other, there is no middle ground unless they have two states or (probably even more unlikely) Palestinians have equal rights as full citizens of Israel. same thing in the end no more settlements, recognising the others right exist peacefully, etc.
Tell that to Solomon.
Agree.
With the proviso that past conflicts have sometimes been settled by genocide. It's easier, if you have the determination (and lack imagination).
Good post. The inevitable end point that we, as human beings, seem unable to grasp. And, so it will go on until AI takes over.
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
No it isn't. There is some off shore gas near Gaza but no oil.
Natural gas in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
- Oct 20, 2022
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This is true - However, the Occupied West Bank does have one of the largest oil fields in Israel running under it which is currently being extracted by Israel. Both the Palestinian off-shore gas reserves of Gaza and the oil in the Palestinian territory of the West Bank are being controlled by Israel with none of the revenue being given to the Palestinians- contrary to the Oslo Accords (which committed both parties to shared cooperation and development for both)No it isn't. There is some off shore gas near Gaza but no oil.
Natural gas in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
This article supports your assertion
‘This Genocide Is About Oil’
Given the billions of barrels worth of oil in Palestine, some advocates believe that fossil fuels are influencing Israel’s attacks.
atmos.earth
Also I have been saying for 25 years that water is another natural resource that lies at the heart of ME boundary conflicts and as it becomes more scarce due to CC, the risk of major conflicts arising over water increases and will eventually take over conflicts over fossil fuels…
No Water Wars?
In a new commentary, Natasha Hall questions the framing of the water wars debate. War is rarely caused by one issue. Rather, water is one of many causes and victims of conflict.
’…(S)pecifically, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can be attributed, to some extent, to disputes over the scarce and valuable water resources of the Jordan River basin and its aquifers.”
Water and the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict
www.cejiss.org
Helen Whately MP (Faversham & Mid Kent)
DOES nothing on the Israeli slaughter of civilians. Peter Kyle, my MP, follows Keir Starmer and stays quite on the mass killing of civilians.Jess Phillips spoke out and stood down, as did many other Labour politicians.
Love Jess.
I don't love Jess.
Who do you think will save the Palestinians for you? Jeremy Corbyn, perhaps?
How do you advise I arrange my voting intentions to maximise my support for the Palestinian people?
Or would you be prepared to accept there is f*** all a UK MP can do about it?
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nicko31
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2009 - 1200 dead, we called for a ceasefire
www.theguardian.com
Gordon Brown calls for immediate ceasefire in Gaza after Israeli invasion
PM says ongoing hostilities a matter of 'grave concern' and insists international pressure being put on both Israel and Hamas
www.theguardian.com