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We're back to calling the Jewish bloke anti-Semitic, I see.
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Before accusing me of anti-semitism, how about you doing some background research. It is not any ’anti-semitic prejudice’ of mine ‘truly showing’ in our exchanges but your uninformed opinions and lack of knowledge surrounding the issues:
“A recent 2020 study at Tel Aviv University found that Palestine and Palestinians are not mentioned in Israeli school textbooks, rendering Palestinians invisible to them. Consequently, many Israeli children do not learn the history of Palestine, and they learn to view Palestinians as threats rather than neighbors.”
Teaching Palestine in Israeli Schools | Promised Land Museum
Miko Peled discusses how US, Israeli & Palestinian school curricula creates divisions among Israelis & Palestinians and validates ethnic cleansing.
promisedlandmuseum.org
Worse than that, Israeli children are subject to State propaganda that does inoculate them from the realities of the brutality of the Occupation
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I’ll just refer you to the penultimate paragraph in one of my earlier posts
[News] - Hamas attacks Israel - 'We are at war'
There is a question that has puzzled me for many, many years. Antisemitism (I know a word, an act, a mindset, certainly not a question). As many others have stated in this thread, the Jews have been the target of hatred, genocide, war crimes, prejudice etc etc, for many centuries across Europe...
www.northstandchat.com
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Not speaking for Zeberdi as he will have his own perspective on this but for me, the weaponisation of anti-semitism within UK/US politics is one of the most disgusting and cynical things to witness in the last few years. Carried out by Tories and the Labour Right in the UK to silence / expel those that have the temerity to question the awful actions of the Israeli state. The same tactic is used by Republicans and Christian Zionists in the US to silence dissent.Before accusing me of anti-semitism, how about you doing some background research. It is not any ’anti-semitic prejudice’ of mine ‘truly showing’ in our exchanges but your uninformed opinions and lack of knowledge surrounding the issues:
“A recent 2020 study at Tel Aviv University found that Palestine and Palestinians are not mentioned in Israeli school textbooks, rendering Palestinians invisible to them. Consequently, many Israeli children do not learn the history of Palestine, and they learn to view Palestinians as threats rather than neighbors.”
Teaching Palestine in Israeli Schools | Promised Land Museum
Miko Peled discusses how US, Israeli & Palestinian school curricula creates divisions among Israelis & Palestinians and validates ethnic cleansing.
Worse than that, Israeli children are subject to State propaganda that does inoculate them from the realities of the brutality of the Occupation
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If Jews question Israels occupation I have seen them termed the "wrong type of Jew", "not Jewish" or 'Kapos'
Starmer has used it to rid the party of dissenting voices including many left wing Jews.
UK Labour Party accused of discrimination over expulsion of Jewish members
Jewish members of the Labour Party are almost 13 times more likely to be expelled for supporting proscribed left-wing organisations than non-Jewish members, JVL claims
www.middleeasteye.net
The weaponisation tactic is so destructive as it masks genuine anti-semitism that occurs in both the UK and US and more often than not come from the far right.
Good summary here
Weaponizing Antisemitism is Bad for Jews, Israel, and Peace | Contending Modernities
Antisemitism, like other forms of racism and bigotry, should be rejected by appeals to human rights and justice, not through the closure of critical thinking and blind acceptance of official Israeli state policies.
contendingmodernities.nd.edu
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Agree with all of that - thank you for posting your POV and doing so in such a well thought out way. The fact that false accusations of anti- semitism masks genuine anti-semitism itself is anti-Semitic in its impact - to accuse anyone of anti-semitism is a serious charge more so, when the accusation is lodged without reason at someone who is the direct descendant of Holocaust survivors ( and victims) purely to ‘score points’ on a discussion forum - it’s a charge that any Jewish person would find deeply upsetting .
Edit - From one of @borat’s links posted above- this is the measure and yardstick against which we should judge whether behaviour is anti-semitic- sums it up very well imo:
“Antisemitism, like other forms of racism and bigotry, should be rejected by appeals to human rights and justice, not through the closure of critical thinking and blind acceptance of official Israel State politics.”
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Machiavelli
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Well, I'm of the view that antisemitism has been present in UK politics, although overstated. Labour under Corbyn helped facilitate it by being fundamentally naive. The extent of it hasn't been as prevalent as Islamophobia though. Saying things like this has generated hostility and suggestible accusations in recent years.Not speaking for Zeberdi as he will have his own perspective on this but for me, the weaponisation of anti-semitism within UK/US politics is one of the most disgusting and cynical things to witness in the last few years. Carried out by Tories and the Labour Right in the UK to silence / expel those that have the temerity to question the awful actions of the Israeli state. The same tactic is used by Republicans and Christian Zionists in the US to silence dissent.
If Jews question Israels occupation I have seen them termed the "wrong type of Jew", "not Jewish" or 'Kapos'
Starmer has used it to rid the party of dissenting voices including many left wing Jews.
UK Labour Party accused of discrimination over expulsion of Jewish members
Jewish members of the Labour Party are almost 13 times more likely to be expelled for supporting proscribed left-wing organisations than non-Jewish members, JVL claims
The weaponisation tactic is so destructive as it masks genuine anti-semitism that occurs in both the UK and US and more often than not come from the far right.
Good summary here
Weaponizing Antisemitism is Bad for Jews, Israel, and Peace | Contending Modernities
Antisemitism, like other forms of racism and bigotry, should be rejected by appeals to human rights and justice, not through the closure of critical thinking and blind acceptance of official Israeli state policies.
It's patently obvious that it's the far right that has perpetrated antisemitism historically, but don't try and claim that the left haven't indulged in it -- then and now. Social democrats accepted social Darwinism in the early 20C, and the far left has been remarkably effective at associating Jews with finance and capitalism.
Beyond all that, a two-state solution is more necessary now than ever.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Considering the indoctrination that apparently goes on in Gaza then I’m not sure the children there have much choice either
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LamieRobertson
Not awoke
You don't have to take my word about Apartheid take the word of
Amnesty International
Human Rights Watch
Btselem - Israeli Human Rights Group
Or take the former chief of Mossads word for it
Israel imposing apartheid on Palestinians, says former Mossad chief
Tamir Pardo comments, slammed by ruling Likud party, carry weight because of high regard for intelligence agency in Israelwww.theguardian.com
You can bury your head in the sand. That up to you.
It's sad that you weaponise the situation by saying I hate Jews. It shows you are losing the argument when you make shameful smears.
Your only significant contribution to these threads is laughing emojis. I hope you contribute more to those around you in real life. Somehow I doubt it.
Aren’t you being exactly what you are accusing the poster of ..talk about pot calling kettle black
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@LamieRobertson - Do you think I am anti-semitic for criticising Israel’s response to the Hamas attack - because I have repeatedly been charged with that by those who support what Israel are doing in Gaza?
that was the point of the post you quoted
- and yes, historically it was the far right that generally held anti-semitic POVs but now the right ( not even far right) misappropriate anti-semitism to make false accusations against those that criticise Israel’s policies- to further their own Islamophobic agenda.
that was the point of the post you quoted
- and yes, historically it was the far right that generally held anti-semitic POVs but now the right ( not even far right) misappropriate anti-semitism to make false accusations against those that criticise Israel’s policies- to further their own Islamophobic agenda.
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LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Which post are you quoting…as nothing I have posted tonight refers to you at all
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I wasn’t quoting any post - I was referring to @Borat’s post (that you quoted) highlighting how anti-semitism has been misappropriated by the far right - a post which he wrote in response to the attack on me by @Albion my Albion which I asked if you agree with?
Why avoid my question?
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Not at all. I'm accusing Israel of carrying out Apartheid and referenced several pieces from major organisations that have said the same. The other other poster who contributed little to these threads accused me of "hating Jews" without basis. Not the same at all...
I criticise Saudi Arabia's role in Yemen and will continue to do so. Doesn't make me islamaphobic etc. Hope that's clear.
Wow! I assume you know? Or maybe you are an Orthodox Jew with very unpalatable opinions?
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Excuse me but my post was to that poster who didn’t seem to like the tone of the post he referred to…but imo his tone seemed similar….nothing to do with the perceived “attack” by the other poster you quoted.
Mind backing off a bit….i asked which post you were referring to as I had not even referred to you.
My mistake here was to even venture back …I’ve generally stopped even looking at this thread …and I’ll keep those reasons to myself.
Now I’m shoving the thread back on ignore….so if you or anyone else refers to my post/s I won’t even see them to reply to…..I just love that feature
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I said, "more often than not" it comes from the right. Of course it's exists on the left as it does in society as a whole. Its existence doesn't mean it wasn't weaponised for political ends against Corbyn and the left.
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It wasn’t a ‘perceived’ ‘attack’ - it was an attack -
in response to providing factual information that the poster didn’t like because it highlighted a weakness in his argument.
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Medicine Sans Frontiers report their evacuation convoy was attacked by Israeli forces yesterday carrying medical staff
www.msf.org
WHO leads an humanitarian mission into the Al Shifa Hospital - scenes there described as ‘desparate’
www.who.int
Meanwhile sources are widely reporting, including Reuters and the Washington Post, that a ‘deal reached’ by Hamas, US and Israel to release an unspecified number of women and children in exchange for a pause in the fighting but The Whitehouse denies any deal has been reached - the fog of war continues
www.jpost.com
It seems that a deal is indeed in the process of being negotiated by Qatar but nothing has been agreed yet and reports of a deal being reached are exaggerated
www.forbes.com
Israeli forces and settlers ramp up violence against Palestinians in West Bank | MSF
MSF doctors struggle to treat victims amid the challenges they are facing as Israeli forces and settlers have intensified attacks against Palestinians in the West Bank. We urges Israeli authorities to show restraint in the West Bank, to put an end to the violence and forced displacements of...
WHO leads an humanitarian mission into the Al Shifa Hospital - scenes there described as ‘desparate’
WHO leads very high-risk joint humanitarian mission to Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza
Earlier today, a joint UN humanitarian assessment team led by WHO accessed Al-Shifa Hospital in northern Gaza to assess the situation on the ground, conduct a rapid situational analysis, assess medical priorities and establish logistics options for further missions. The team included public...
Meanwhile sources are widely reporting, including Reuters and the Washington Post, that a ‘deal reached’ by Hamas, US and Israel to release an unspecified number of women and children in exchange for a pause in the fighting but The Whitehouse denies any deal has been reached - the fog of war continues
US, Israel, Hamas reach tentative deal to free dozens of hostages
All parties will freeze combat operations for at least five days while "50 or more" women and children hostages are released in small groups.
It seems that a deal is indeed in the process of being negotiated by Qatar but nothing has been agreed yet and reports of a deal being reached are exaggerated
Qatar Negotiating Release Of 50 Hostages By Hamas In Exchange For 3-Day Ceasefire, Report Says
Qatari mediators are reportedly working with the U.S. on the deal, which Hamas has agreed to the “general outlines” of, though Israel has not.
www.forbes.com
Not as chilling though as the video of the Hamas terrorists playing football with decapitated children's heads
Sounds very much like another Israeli manufactured lie to add to the many that the IDF pump out on a daily basis to justify war crimes. Please provide a reputable source?
The song is an actual Israeli state broadcaster encouraging the annihilation of other people and thats all you come back with.