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The Large One

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From the Grauniad

Two campaigners known as the "McLibel Two" should have been given legal aid by the British government to defend themselves against a libel action by the food giant McDonald's, Europe's highest court ruled today. _

The ruling by the European court of human rights is a huge victory for the pair, David Morris and Helen Steel, and a pleasing end for them to the 15-year McLibel saga. It is being scrutinised by the government, which may now be forced to change the libel laws. Campaign groups welcomed today's verdict.

The McLibel Two lost a libel case against McDonald's in 1997, in which the relatively penniless environmental activists famously represented themselves against the firm's expensive lawyers. The firm had sued them for libel because of leaflets the two Londoners had distributed, but not written, entitled: "What's Wrong with McDonald's".

In the aftermath of that case, they brought a separate case to the European court of human rights in Strasbourg against the UK government, arguing that English libel law and the lack of legal aid for defendants of defamation cases had forced them to represent themselves.

Today human rights judges upheld their argument, made at a hearing in Strasbourg last year, that having to represent themselves denied them the right to free speech and a fair hearing. The judges said the pair had not been given a fair trial as guaranteed by the European Convention on Human Rights, to which the UK is a signatory.

At the two-hour hearing in September, the pair's lawyer - for whom they did have legal aid - said the 1994-97 David and Goliath struggle of the libel case was "patently unfair" and there was a stark inequality between the two sides.

The government had previously argued that the fact that the McLibel Two had lost was not evidence they had been let down by the law. A spokeswoman for the Department for Constitutional Affairs said today: "We are studying the judgment very carefully."

The government has already amended the libel laws since it came to power in 1997. Changes introduced in the Access to Justice Act in 2000 mean people may be eligible for legal aid in libel actions under "special measures".

In 1997 at the conclusion of the libel hearing, which at 313 days was the longest court case in English legal history, the McLibel Two were ordered to pay McDonald's £40,000 for handing out leaflets attacking the company's commercial and employment practices.

The pair have never paid the damages. The case is thought to have cost the fast food giant £10m and has been described as "the biggest corporate PR disaster in history". The high court found the leaflet was true when it accused McDonald's of paying low wages to its workers, being responsible for cruelty to some of the animals used in its food products and exploiting children in advertising campaigns.

After today's ruling the McLibel Two said in a statement: "Having largely beaten McDonald's and won some damning judgments against them in our trial we have now exposed the notoriously oppressive and unfair UK laws."

The statement said that following the ruling, "the government may be forced to amend or scrap some of the existing UK laws."

It added: "We hope that this will result in greater public scrutiny and criticism of powerful organisations whose practices have a detrimental effect on society and the environment.

"The McLibel campaign has already proved that determined and widespread grass roots protest and defiance can undermine those who try to silence their critics, and also render oppressive laws unworkable."

The statement ended by noting there was "continually growing opposition for McDonald's and all it stands for". This, the pair said was "a vindication of all the efforts of those around the world who have been exposing and challenging the corporation's business practice".

Earlier, speaking ahead of the outcome, Mr Morris told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme that he still had concerns about McDonald's. He said: "I don't think they can change because they are an institution that exists to make profits and to increase their power.

" We can see the effects of not just what McDonald's is doing but what all multinationals are doing to our planet. We believe there's an alternative where people and communities have control over decision-making and resources."

McDonalds has not been commenting on the case in Strasbourg, saying it was a matter for the government as it was not directly involved.

Roger Smith, the director of the human rights and law reform group Justice, said: "This is a wonderful victory for the sheer perseverance of two litigants who have just stuck to the task and insisted upon justice. "I think it's also a victory for human rights and a recognition of legal aid as a basic human right which should be available in all types of cases where it is absolutely necessary."
 






This is excellent news. Despite all the gloss and spin surrounding the McDonalds PR machine, they've come out of this case looking really stupid. Money wouldn't have been the objective for pursuing this case. They would have wanted to make an example of these two campagners and let it be a warning to any others who had the nerve to show McDonalds for what they really are. Didn't quite pan out that way! :lolol:
 


Superb. Companies like McDonald's have been using the libel laws as a dull battering ram against critics, knowing that hardly anyone will risk everything against their multi-million £ legal departments. This redresses the balance slightly.
 






lost in london

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I think it's a bit of a rubbish decision myself, I work for the Legal Aid Board, and a case like this would have cost us millions and achieved absolutely nothing apart from making McDonald's look a bit silly. Just hope that this doesn't set any kind of precedent for the future.
 


The Large One

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Making McDonalds realise that what they did was just plain bullying was the main thrust of Steel and Morris purpose. They refused to be intimidated. And this was a pretty unusual case. Even up against defendants who would get Legal Aid, McDonalds would still have the greater muscle to flex.

The precedent which - hopefully - this sets is that some companies, or individuals may think twice about suing someone just because they didn't like what had been said, knowing full well that they cannot arbitrarily use the libel law sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Besides which, the burden of proof would still be on the defendant to back up their original statement that they are being sued for.
 


beorhthelm

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potentially bad as people more likly to make libelous or defamatory statements about people or organisations, thus leading to more crap going through the courts and costing us the tax payer more. For what amounts to a petty squabble in most cases.
 




lost in london

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You can't normally get legal aid for defamation / slander type cases, just hope that this doesn't mean that we have to give future case 'exceptional' funding. They would still have to prove that the case is of significant wider public interest, which lots of defamation things won't be.
 


The Large One

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It's all about equality of legal assistance.

Two people in a petty squabble is one thing. One popstar against a newspaper is another. Two campaigners against a multi-national corporation is something completely different.
 


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McDonalds were guilty of outrageous behaviour towards those two. They used agents to infiltrate their protest group and spy on their activities. They even used the Metropolitan Police to investigate their opponents. A multi-national corporation using the police force of a nation state to spy on private citizens who have raised legitimate concerns about that corporations ethics and practices, now that is very worrying.

By using scare tactics and intimidation, McDonalds were able to crush any criticism of its behaviour, able to crush any opposition who wanted to voice their concerns. Maybe now Multi-nationals might think twice before attempting to silence their critics.
 




Wardy

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This is bad news if you ask me. This will now mean anyone that is accused of Libel will be able to ask for Legal Aid. Libel trials by their very nature are long and expensive. The McDonalds barrister in this case was on about £2000 an hour I remember reading.

This will end up being another scheme we the tax payers end up paying for.
 


The Large One

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Wardywonderland said:
This is bad news if you ask me. This will now mean anyone that is accused of Libel will be able to ask for Legal Aid.
Not necessarily.

This ruling merely told the British government that a blanket ban on Legal Aid in libel cases was wrong and unfair. Everyone is looking at the implications to this judgement, but the ruling was made on the basis of having access to a fairer level of legal assistance - not on the fact that everyone can automatically get Legal Aid.
 


adrian29uk

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You cannot waste money Legal Aid on stuff like this. In fact the Legal Aid is just used to line Lawyers pockets even more.

I would like to know how much money has been wasted helping asylum seekers and suspected terrorists when the money could have gone in to hospitals and schooling.
 




Highfields Seagull

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I know this is pie in the sky and I'll admit I don't know much more than a little about how our legal system works.

Surely the only way to ensure everyone is able to get the same levels of legal representation is to nationalise the legal profession.

Everyone would be charged a set hourly rate for legal representation and would be allocated a solicitor. Those without the means to pay would be assessed for legal aid. Solicitors would be employees of the state.
 


beorhthelm

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The Large One said:
This ruling merely told the British government that a blanket ban on Legal Aid in libel cases was wrong and unfair.

Problem i see is that it might encourage more unfounded libel in the first place. So then who decides weather a case is worthy of legal aid or not? And it'll lead to 'celebrities' coming out of the wood work for every little comment made about them - you just know they'll wangle legal aid some how (their earnings held in holding companies and what not).

More importantly it brings legal aid into the realm of civil cases in general, with implication beyond libel (as i understand it aid is only currently given in criminal cases). Where will it stop? Will a homeowner in a sleepy village be able to get legal aid to sue a football club thats built a stadium across the road ???
 


Biscuit

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Instead of calling them the McLibel Two, why not call them "Double McLibel" or "McLibel Double" would be more realistic...

shoddy journolism..:lolol: :jester:
 






chip

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The Large One said:
Not necessarily.

This ruling merely told the British government that a blanket ban on Legal Aid in libel cases was wrong and unfair. Everyone is looking at the implications to this judgement, but the ruling was made on the basis of having access to a fairer level of legal assistance - not on the fact that everyone can automatically get Legal Aid.

It will also mean that you can get legal aid to prosecute for libel which might not be such a bad thing. It will mean that the little man will be able to sue papers and the government, for example, without going for no-win-no-fee barristers.
 




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