McGhee's team

[Herr Tubthumper]

Mcghee may have got us up and kept us up but I'm starting to wonder how much of this was due to the set up and players he inherited.

As time has slowly moved on, and the team has become McGhee's team things have got progressively worse. The results have deteriorated (the results over the past 12 months are diabolical), team spirit has been eroded, perfomances are at best patchy, most players seem to play out of position and we have little shape and no pattern to our play.

His man-management is non-existent and he seems to argue or alienate a lot of players.

Further, we have an abundance of crap strikers (one we paid £150k for and whome cannot even get in the squad...also the boss has alluded to Federico not being the player McGhee thought he was ...baffling and worrying) and always seem to be carrying one-to-many goalkeepers and as a direct consequence we have little money to buy players for other positions.

Where do we go from here? I'm not calling for McGhee's head, but I have serious concerns about the direction the team is going at the moment.

 

[Marc]

is'nt it GREAT to be questioning a manager for a change? I cant remember the last time we slagged off the Guv 'cos of bad results (ok Hinshlewood but), apart from that we have been blessed!

Roll On Falmer

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

C'mon, you can do better than that.

 

[Marc]

C'mon, you can do better than that.

I could but I cant be arsed, sorry

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Fair enough.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

His man-management is non-existent and he seems to argue or alienate a lot of players.

Other than Leon Knight who else?

Kuipers has been rumoured but i've neither seen or heard any evidence other than the Knight affair which incidentally has only come from Leon's corner, whilst both Chaigneau and McCammon are playing for the team again which suggests they've made up again.

 

[Yorkie]

Where do we go from here? I'm not calling for McGhee's head, but I have serious concerns about the direction the team is going at the moment.

I'd hate to read your posts when you do start calling for his head.
You've assissinated him pretty well in that one.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

he has fallen out with McCammon, Chaigneau, Kuipers (he was seen in a rather animated conversation on the pitch when the players came out on the pitch to warm up at Soton) and of course Leon. Inviting players off the coach is not a very mature way to manage players.

As for assination, I'm simply pointing out some concerns and observations on a web chat site, trying to get some discussion going, and using what I feel is the appropriate medium for this at the current time.

 

[ROSM]

My view yesterday is that McGhee has a lot of hard work to do. No shocks there, that hasn't changed since day 1. However, as a team, we do appear to have lost the esprit de coeur that has kept us going for so long. Not surprise bearing in mind what has likely been going on behind the scenes. I would bet that if Knight had not scored 5 goals this season, he would have been out of here earlier and quicker that you could say 'Dave Cameron is useless'!

But what we saw yesterday was a culmination of a few weeks of tough knocks.

Chaigneau wasn't as sound at distribution yesterday - although I think it harsh to blame him for the goal. He looked so keen to cover the near post that he got caught with a shot across him.

Controversially, I would have rested McShane. He is a very talented footballer but he has just come back from injury and 5 games in quick succession is tough on him.

I think Hammond has a tough time with no Oatway. I would've kept Mayo in midfield as a tackling figure and moved Hammond out wide. Whilst neither of the wingers has done anything wrong, I think it's very laudable to play two wingers but when they swap, it causes problems for our full backs. Pehaps we need to tighten up a bit.

Not sure playing Carole up front worked - we need reliable hard working forwards and I didn't see any reason why Robinson and McCammon didn't start as they didn't do a lot wrong at Southampton. I'm afraid that after CKRs booking yesterday, then he made it difficult for McGhee to keep him on.

Finally, the subbing of el-abd for reid left many bemused. If we were going to lose a defender, then I would've put whoever came on up front. Finally (and this shows that players dont pay attention to managers) when we had the last corner and Chaigneau went up, why did Carole then hit a low corner in?

 

[Yorkie]

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trying to get some discussion going, and using what I feel is the appropriate medium for this at the current time.

There's only been about 20 threads already on this. so it hardly needs someone to get a discussion going.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

My view yesterday is that McGhee has a lot of hard work to do. No shocks there, that hasn't changed since day 1. However, as a team, we do appear to have lost the esprit de coeur that has kept us going for so long. Not surprise bearing in mind what has likely been going on behind the scenes. I would bet that if Knight had not scored 5 goals this season, he would have been out of here earlier and quicker that you could say 'Dave Cameron is useless'!

But what we saw yesterday was a culmination of a few weeks of tough knocks.

Chaigneau wasn't as sound at distribution yesterday - although I think it harsh to blame him for the goal. He looked so keen to cover the near post that he got caught with a shot across him.

Controversially, I would have rested McShane. He is a very talented footballer but he has just come back from injury and 5 games in quick succession is tough on him.

I think Hammond has a tough time with no Oatway. I would've kept Mayo in midfield as a tackling figure and moved Hammond out wide. Whilst neither of the wingers has done anything wrong, I think it's very laudable to play two wingers but when they swap, it causes problems for our full backs. Pehaps we need to tighten up a bit.

Not sure playing Carole up front worked - we need reliable hard working forwards and I didn't see any reason why Robinson and McCammon didn't start as they didn't do a lot wrong at Southampton. I'm afraid that after CKRs booking yesterday, then he made it difficult for McGhee to keep him on.

Finally, the subbing of el-abd for reid left many bemused. If we were going to lose a defender, then I would've put whoever came on up front. Finally (and this shows that players dont pay attention to managers) when we had the last corner and Chaigneau went up, why did Carole then hit a low corner in?

When Reid came on I thought they were going to put 5 in the midfield, but no he was put at right back.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I had a brief look at some earlier postings, and I thought I was the first to suggest that his success in getting and keeping us up might be down to the set up he inherited.

 

[ROSM]

he has fallen out with McCammon, Chaigneau, Kuipers (he was seen in a rather animated conversation on the pitch when the players came out on the pitch to warm up at Soton) and of course Leon. Inviting players off the coach is not a very mature way to manage players.

As for assination, I'm simply pointing out some concerns and observations on a web chat site, trying to get some discussion going, and using what I feel is the appropriate medium for this at the current time.

the McCammon incident is well documented, but he's still here and playing. As for Kuipers, he has been dropped by every manager since he's been here. he has been upset by that - and he has certainly had falling outs with previous ones. Yet he's still here - I certainly wouldn't say it is a major issue. Chaigneau, yes he too has had a falling out - funny though that his storm off followed just a few days after someone lese stormed off. Wonder if he thought that is the way we do things in the UK?

However, we still only have Leon's version of the coach incident - remember that when it first broke, race was on here saying that leon's version didn't match what she'd heard?

 

[Theatre of Trees]

he has fallen out with McCammon, Chaigneau, Kuipers (he was seen in a rather animated conversation on the pitch when the players came out on the pitch to warm up at Soton) and of course Leon. Inviting players off the coach is not a very mature way to manage players.

Perhaps some players lack the maturity to behave like an adult? Didn't Adams do something similar with Cameron? As said elsewhere, Chaigneau and McCammon are playing again so some kissing and making up seems to have gone on there. In my line of work I fall out with a number of people if they are not respecting my authority, if we fall out and they give me a decent apology I work to reintergrate them back where they were before. If they continue to abuse it I move them elsewhere.

 

[oapdodge]

Perhaps some players lack the maturity to behave like an adult? Didn't Adams do something similar with Cameron? As said elsewhere, Chaigneau and McCammon are playing again so some kissing and making up seems to have gone on there. In my line of work I fall out with a number of people if they are not respecting my authority, if we fall out and they give me a decent apology I work to reintergrate them back where they were before. If they continue to abuse it I move them elsewhere.

Footballers and school children are very similar except footballers get paid for acting like school kids.

 

[ROSM]

Perhaps some players lack the maturity to behave like an adult? Didn't Adams do something similar with Cameron? As said elsewhere, Chaigneau and McCammon are playing again so some kissing and making up seems to have gone on there. In my line of work I fall out with a number of people if they are not respecting my authority, if we fall out and they give me a decent apology I work to reintergrate them back where they were before. If they continue to abuse it I move them elsewhere.

common sense post - being a footballer doesn't remove the need to work with others and respect the role of a manager

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

To continually fall out with people is not the best way to engender team spirit though. Fair enough Adams did fall out with Cameron, but that was it as far as I can remember. I still find it very hard to understand why McGhee felt it necessary to invite two players off the coach. What was this trying to acheive?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

You could also argue that MM has very good interpersonal skills. He way he treated El-Abd and Oatway, when they were out of the team and they both came back fighting and putting in performances better than ever before.

A small minority have had problems with him. Chaigneau was frustrated at not playing, as he is on a season long loan to get some work experience. Knight and McCammon both criticised the manager in full view of the squad. I would rather McGhee ordered them off the coach, rather than thumping them. He had to put his foot down and show that contempt from his players will not be accepted.

 

[Rusco]

common sense post - being a footballer doesn't remove the need to work with others and respect the role of a manager

Crap .... being a pro footballer entitles you to act like a spoilt prick towards those that pick you and pay your wages, roast dirty slappers with your mates in hotel rooms and blow stupid amounts of cash at the bookies

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I think El-Abd's rehabilitation was more to do with his friends and family than anything McGhee did.