[Politics] Mark Field

[Westdene Seagull]

The longer video on the BBC news website shows you exactly how the security there did handle it. Surprisingly they weren't grabbing people by the neck but instead escorting them out by walking alongside them and guiding them onward by steering their elbows once in a while.
This is indeed how all security is headed. Get more security around the people to reduce the need for restraint and simply give them no other way to go but to move with security out of the building. Which is exactly what you see in the longer video.
No pushing, shoving or neck control. Just a simple line of protestors being swept along relatively calmly by a lot of security.

I don't disagree with you but it requires numbers ..... a single security person would have had to use exactly the same methods to control her until numbers overwhelmed her.

 

[The Clamp]

Ok - hence I said I suspect is illegal. Eiter way it’s not right especially when it’s known what you are doing.

They were trespassing and clearly a threat to security. Not to safety but security and so yes, they needed to be removed. When the trained security arrive you can see them removing the protestors in a calm, controlled manner with very little physical contact at all.

 

[Klaas]

Peaceful protest also doesn’t involve trespassing. It depends what the woman at football had done. If she was a potential suicide bomber for example, I’d want her treated more thoroughly than that man/woman doesn’t really matter these days - we live in an equal society and rightly so. It’s a very 1960s view to point to her gender - she was doing something I suspect is illegal - trespassing?

I thought it was equal rights that we were all aspiring to no? Or was it the equal right to rough up a woman as we might a man?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No - but it is still an offence.

No, it isn't.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

What's that got to do with it?

It's a tad difficult to take any decision she makes seriously.

 

[Sheebo]

Don't be silly, now.

Pure statistically facts, suggest that a woman is LIKELY to be smaller / less physically strong than a man.

Either way - he can see who he is dealing with - and acted with above necessary aggression, simply because HE lost his temper in annoyance at having his posh-boys dinner interrupted - and absolutely nothing to do with any perceived level of threat.

Likely yes. Not fact though is it. So it doesn’t always come into it. ‘So of course their gender is important’ isn’t strictly true is it?

Yes he lost his temper but so what? He wasn’t overly aggressive in my book. The posh boys dinner (and yes if that’s what it was I hate that sort of snobbery too) shouldn’t come into it though. That just shows me that your pre conceived ideas of the event have most likely impacted your judgement. I’ve enjoyed analysing it without having any clue what it was about - it helps.

 

[The Clamp]

I don't disagree with you but it requires numbers ..... a single security person would have had to use exactly the same methods to control her until numbers overwhelmed her.

She should have just been left alone until numbers arrived. She wasn't a threat and was not being violent.Just like all the other protestors were left alone until proper help arrived and nobody got acid in their face, Safest thing to do in that situation would have been to let her stand and rant for a few seconds before security arrived.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

No, it isn't.

Yes it is. You can take someone to civil court for trespass. It's just not a criminal offence. Anything that breaks either criminal or civil law is an offence. It's how it's dealt with that is different.

 

[Ernest]

Would you want your wife or daughter manhandled by a great lump of a man who is angry because his dinner is now late

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Peaceful protest also doesn’t involve trespassing. It depends what the woman at football had done. If she was a potential suicide bomber for example, I’d want her treated more thoroughly than that man/woman doesn’t really matter these days - we live in an equal society and rightly so. It’s a very 1960s view to point to her gender - she was doing something I suspect is illegal - trespassing?

Shouting at the speaker. Trespassing and heckling are not illegal. I've said this previously, look at the footage before commenting further.
Yes a man assaulting a woman is very relevant to the situation especially when the woman reacts by bowing her head as soon as he touches her. She made no attempt to retaliate.

Say your daughter had shouted at the referee and a steward took exception to her shouting. Would you accept the steward had the right to grab her by the neck to force her out?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

She should have just been left alone until numbers arrived. She wasn't a threat and was not being violent. Safest thing to do in that situation would have been to let her stand and rant for a few seconds before security arrived.

Safest thing to do yes ..... but if it were my event I'd want her removed ASAP.

 

[Sheebo]

I thought it was equal rights that we were all aspiring to no? Or was it the equal right to rough up a woman as we might a man?

Eh? Equal rights is surely being treated the same? It shouldn’t matter particularly what gender the trespasser was in this instance?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes it is. You can take someone to civil court for trespass. It's just not a criminal offence. Anything that breaks either criminal or civil law is an offence. It's how it's dealt with that is different.

Please show me the legislation that says trespass is a civil offence. I need the exact wording to see if the word offence is in it.

 

[The Clamp]

Safest thing to do yes ..... but if it were my event I'd want her removed ASAP.

It wasn't his event. And when it comes to the law, what an individual wants is not a factor.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Say your daughter had shouted at the referee and a steward took exception to her shouting. Would you accept the steward had the right to grab her by the neck to force her out?

And yet again you bring gender into it .... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SITUATION. If one of my children had trespassed then I would object to the person being trespassed against used their legal right to use reasonable force to remove them.

 

[Half Time Pies]

Shouting across a speech is causing trouble! I have absolutely no knowledge of what the event was or what the protest was - which I think helps in this instance as others are letting their political angle cloud their view imo. She was trespassing and got escorted out with reasonable force - I really don’t see the issue. She will hopefully learn from her mistake that she is not above the law.

Who was Mark Field exactly to decide who should be there or who shouldn't, and how any so called trespass was managed? He hasn't been trained, its not his event, there were even security there dealing with things. If you watch the full video things had been going on for a while before the incident, it was clear what these women were there for and that they posed no threat, he wasn't protecting himself or others, he had a few sherries and was annoyed that someone was spoiling his night and thought he would be the big man by grabbing a woman around the neck. What an utter moron!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

And yet again you bring gender into it .... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SITUATION. If one of my children had trespassed then I would object to the person being trespassed against used their legal right to use reasonable force to remove them.

Gender has a lot to do with it because of the inequality of strength.

 

[Sheebo]

Shouting at the speaker. Trespassing and heckling are not illegal. I've said this previously, look at the footage before commenting further.
Yes a man assaulting a woman is very relevant to the situation especially when the woman reacts by bowing her head as soon as he touches her. She made no attempt to retaliate.

Say your daughter had shouted at the referee and a steward took exception to her shouting. Would you accept the steward had the right to grab her by the neck to force her out?

Not even going to answer that as I once again feel your examples are completely not the same thing.... I hate violence full stop. What you have done there is claim this was an assault - which it isn’t at the moment until proven by law. Either way it won’t affect my opinion on the incident. She was in the wrong and he reacted in a split second and didn’t know what her intentions were. Yes he was annoyed and perhaps could have handled it slightly better but still don’t see it as a major I codent personally.

 

[Klaas]

Eh? Equal rights is surely being treated the same? It shouldn’t matter particularly what gender the trespasser was in this instance?

Yes. When most people think about equal rights it's about being treated the same, free from persecution. Not, I suspect, how much or little you can physically push a woman in an evening dress about.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Please show me the legislation that says trespass is a civil offence. I need the exact wording to see if the word offence is in it.

I'm going to use your standard tactic here ..... try looking it up for yourself. Easy to find on Google .... I've just checked.