Jesus, I didn't realise this type of attack is that common on our own doorstep!!!!!!
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Man stabbed, then beheaded on bus in Canada
- Thread starter eastlondonseagull
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Jesus, I didn't realise this type of attack is that common on our own doorstep!!!!!!
seagull_special
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Brighton buses new strap line is..............If you want to get ahead get a bus
Man of Harveys
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I don't know why people keep verte-berating those people who make jokes about this...
mr sheen
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- Jan 17, 2008
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How can anyone joke about a thing like this.
Someone is without a Son, THINK ABOUT IT WILL YOU.
I wonder what the world is coming too. It gets to the point where you cannot trust anyone. Even in a crowd, in broad daylight your not safe.
If you can't hack it...
Icy Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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I'm getting hacked off with this thread, you'd expect NSC to be a cut above all this bloody stuff
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Soul Finger
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- May 12, 2004
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How can anyone joke about a thing like this.
Someone is without a Son, THINK ABOUT IT WILL YOU.
I wonder what the world is coming too. It gets to the point where you cannot trust anyone. Even in a crowd, in broad daylight your not safe.
You're so right.
It happens all the time.
Only yesterday I was on the number 7 bus en route to Kemp Town when a little old lady got on with a hedge trimmer and proceeded to cut off everyone's head on the lower deck.
She didn't even pay her fare.
eastlondonseagull
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Trufflehound
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I've not been following this story - can someone give me the heads-up please?
Brighton till i die
You havin' a bubble?
How can anyone joke about a thing like this.
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Mr Lick....you owe me a new keyboard as i've just spat my TEA everywhere!!!!
eastlondonseagull
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You lot are horrible.
The witness on this video clip looks really shocked
BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Passenger beheaded on Canada bus
The witness on this video clip looks really shocked
BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Passenger beheaded on Canada bus
eastlondonseagull
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f***ing hell, it gets worse. The murderer started to EAT the corpse
A quiet ride – then carnage
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JOE FRIESEN
Globe and Mail Update
August 1, 2008 at 3:23 AM EDT
WINNIPEG —
All was quiet on Greyhound bus 1170 as it rolled across the darkening prairie.
Night was closing in and passengers were dozing off as The Legend of Zorro played on the television screen.
An aboriginal man of about 20, making his way home to Manitoba from Edmonton, was sitting on his own in the back row, headphones covering his ears, sleeping with his cheek resting on the window pane.
CTV Winnipeg reported late Thursday that his name was Tim MacLean. Friends said he was 22.
He barely acknowledged the 40-year-old man in sunglasses who, having boarded the bus in Brandon, first sat near the front, then walked down the aisle, slid his bags into the overhead bin, and sat down next to him.
The strangers sat together in silence for a half hour or more, said Garnet Caton, a 26-year-old seismic driller who was in the row ahead.
Then the calm of an otherwise unremarkable bus ride was shattered by a sound so chilling it could only be described as somewhere between a dog howling and a baby crying.
“It was a blood-curdling scream,” he said. “I turned around and the guy sitting right [behind] me was standing up and stabbing another guy with a big Rambo knife … Right in the throat. Repeatedly.”
Mr. Caton said the attack was utterly unprovoked.
He watched in horror as the man, described as tall and well-built with close-cropped hair, plunged his hunting knife into the victim eight or nine times, sending blood spraying across the back of the bus.
The driver, hearing the screams, pulled to the side of the road and opened the doors, allowing passengers to flee. They scrambled over one another and, in their haste, knocked an elderly woman to the floor. One mother, who was seated near the back, threw her toddler forward several rows to get the child away from danger, a witness said.
Mr. Caton, who served five years in the Canadian Forces and was closest to the attacker, paused before leaving, torn momentarily between concern for his own safety and the thought of abandoning the bleeding victim. He turned to another man nearby and asked for his help.
“I said, ‘Give me a hand and let's get this guy.' And the other guy took off,” he said.
It was only moments later that the victim's screams went silent. Mr. Caton knew he was too late.
Mr. Caton jumped off the bus, and was met by a trucker who had stopped after seeing the commotion. The trucker grabbed a crowbar and Mr. Caton got a hammer and they tried to contain the attacker on the bus. The attacker swung his knife at them through the partially closed bus door.
Then the incident became even more macabre. The attacker returned to the victim's side and began sawing through his neck. A few moments later, he walked to the front of the bus holding a decapitated human head, displaying it to the 34 passengers and the bus driver standing outside.
“I got sick after I saw the head thing,” Mr. Caton said. “Some people were puking, some people were crying, some people were shocked.”
The killer, meanwhile, was unfazed.
“He just looked at us and dropped the head on the ground, totally calm,” he said.
Reports from the scene indicate the man then ate pieces of the corpse.
It was at that point that the RCMP arrived and a standoff developed, with armed officers surrounding the bus.
For more than three hours the man taunted police, moving around the bus and cutting away at the corpse. Around 1:30 a.m. local time, he broke a window and tried to jump out but was quickly arrested.
The RCMP did not release the man's name Thursday because he has not been formally charged, but said they believe he is not from Manitoba. Staff Sergeant Steve Colwell said the man has not yet been questioned by police, and could not say whether he had been treated by a doctor.
He could offer no explanation for what prompted the attack, and had no information on whether the attacker was known to police or had a history of violence or instability.
Mr. McLean's father, Tim McLean Sr., told CBC News Thursday night that he was in the process of trying to get confirmation from the police that his son was, in fact, the victim of the attack.
The father said that his son had sent him a text message as the bus was leaving Brandon, the last leg of its journey, to ask if he could come home for the night.
Mr. McLean told his son that, of course, he could come home, and that was the last contact he had with him.
A Facebook website called "R.I.P. Tim" quickly sprang up after news of the attack. "I can't believe this is happening," wrote Leah Dryburgh of Winnipeg. "Tim, you were the best guy ever. You didn't deserve this at all."
Police praised the reaction of the bus driver and passengers, which they say may have averted further injuries.
“They were very brave. They reacted swiftly and calmly in exiting the bus and as a result nobody else was injured,” Staff Sgt. Colwell said. “It's not every day that someone gets stabbed on a bus. I imagine it would be fairly traumatic for the other passengers on the bus and the way they reacted was extraordinary.”
The passengers were eventually taken to an RCMP station in Brandon to be questioned, and then put up for the night in a local hotel. Most stayed up late, bleary-eyed strangers gathering in small groups, talking through a horrifying event that defied rational explanation.
“I tried to lay down at 4 o'clock this morning and I was up 10 minutes later, because every time I close my eyes I see this man in the window with some guy's head I just smoked a cigarette with an hour before,” said passenger Cody Olmstead, who was on his way home to Nova Scotia.
Mr. Olmstead may have been the last person to speak to the victim before he was killed. He said they exchanged pleasantries, but not much more. The young man, who was about 5 foot 8 and 150 pounds, was dressed in baggy, hip-hop clothing, passengers said.
“He seemed to be all right. I didn't get to know him,” he said. “He just told me where he was going. I told him where I was going.”
At first, Mr. Olmstead said, he thought it was a regular fistfight. But when somebody yelled “knife,” everyone started to run.
“What can you do when a man's got a knife the size of, you know, it's a big knife. So we just tried to stay out of the way,” he said.
He said he didn't notice any tension between the two men beforehand, or even a minor incident that could have sparked a confrontation.
“No, there was no tension. The guy got on the bus, sat down beside the fellow. The fellow offered him the seat, woke up, said, ‘Yeah, go ahead,' fell back asleep. Next thing you know, he's getting stabbed repetitively,” he said. “And then I guess he cuts buddy's head off, and he walks up to the door, holds the head in the door and just looks at him, crazy like, and just drops the head.”
Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day called Thursday's incident horrific and said his heart goes to the family of the victim. However, he played down the possibility of enacting tough security measures in Canada's bus terminals, similar to what exists in airports.
“People should always be open to looking at precautionary measures. But let's keep in mind that as bizarre and tragic as this is, it is extremely rare,” Mr. Day said.
He also dismissed talk by some opposition MPs of a “knife registry,” saying that millions of them are bought each year simply for kitchen use. He added that there are already provisions in the Criminal Code against crimes and assaults.
Speaking at a Conservative Party caucus meeting, Mr. Day said he does not want to jeopardize the investigation, but added he wants to see the killer “convicted in court.”
Grief counsellors from the Brandon Regional Health Authority were made available to the passengers at the hotel Wednesday night. They were eventually allowed to complete their journey to Winnipeg, even though all their possessions had to be left on the bus while police continued their search of the crime scene.
Greyhound paid for them to buy clothes Thursday, and later transported them into Winnipeg, where some were reunited with anxious family members late in the afternoon.
The bus remained parked at the side of the Trans-Canada Highway Thursday, about 20 kilometres west of Portage La Prairie, as forensic teams sifted through evidence.
globeandmail.com: A quiet ride then carnage
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A quiet ride – then carnage
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JOE FRIESEN
Globe and Mail Update
August 1, 2008 at 3:23 AM EDT
WINNIPEG —
All was quiet on Greyhound bus 1170 as it rolled across the darkening prairie.
Night was closing in and passengers were dozing off as The Legend of Zorro played on the television screen.
An aboriginal man of about 20, making his way home to Manitoba from Edmonton, was sitting on his own in the back row, headphones covering his ears, sleeping with his cheek resting on the window pane.
CTV Winnipeg reported late Thursday that his name was Tim MacLean. Friends said he was 22.
He barely acknowledged the 40-year-old man in sunglasses who, having boarded the bus in Brandon, first sat near the front, then walked down the aisle, slid his bags into the overhead bin, and sat down next to him.
The strangers sat together in silence for a half hour or more, said Garnet Caton, a 26-year-old seismic driller who was in the row ahead.
Then the calm of an otherwise unremarkable bus ride was shattered by a sound so chilling it could only be described as somewhere between a dog howling and a baby crying.
“It was a blood-curdling scream,” he said. “I turned around and the guy sitting right [behind] me was standing up and stabbing another guy with a big Rambo knife … Right in the throat. Repeatedly.”
Mr. Caton said the attack was utterly unprovoked.
He watched in horror as the man, described as tall and well-built with close-cropped hair, plunged his hunting knife into the victim eight or nine times, sending blood spraying across the back of the bus.
The driver, hearing the screams, pulled to the side of the road and opened the doors, allowing passengers to flee. They scrambled over one another and, in their haste, knocked an elderly woman to the floor. One mother, who was seated near the back, threw her toddler forward several rows to get the child away from danger, a witness said.
Mr. Caton, who served five years in the Canadian Forces and was closest to the attacker, paused before leaving, torn momentarily between concern for his own safety and the thought of abandoning the bleeding victim. He turned to another man nearby and asked for his help.
“I said, ‘Give me a hand and let's get this guy.' And the other guy took off,” he said.
It was only moments later that the victim's screams went silent. Mr. Caton knew he was too late.
Mr. Caton jumped off the bus, and was met by a trucker who had stopped after seeing the commotion. The trucker grabbed a crowbar and Mr. Caton got a hammer and they tried to contain the attacker on the bus. The attacker swung his knife at them through the partially closed bus door.
Then the incident became even more macabre. The attacker returned to the victim's side and began sawing through his neck. A few moments later, he walked to the front of the bus holding a decapitated human head, displaying it to the 34 passengers and the bus driver standing outside.
“I got sick after I saw the head thing,” Mr. Caton said. “Some people were puking, some people were crying, some people were shocked.”
The killer, meanwhile, was unfazed.
“He just looked at us and dropped the head on the ground, totally calm,” he said.
Reports from the scene indicate the man then ate pieces of the corpse.
It was at that point that the RCMP arrived and a standoff developed, with armed officers surrounding the bus.
For more than three hours the man taunted police, moving around the bus and cutting away at the corpse. Around 1:30 a.m. local time, he broke a window and tried to jump out but was quickly arrested.
The RCMP did not release the man's name Thursday because he has not been formally charged, but said they believe he is not from Manitoba. Staff Sergeant Steve Colwell said the man has not yet been questioned by police, and could not say whether he had been treated by a doctor.
He could offer no explanation for what prompted the attack, and had no information on whether the attacker was known to police or had a history of violence or instability.
Mr. McLean's father, Tim McLean Sr., told CBC News Thursday night that he was in the process of trying to get confirmation from the police that his son was, in fact, the victim of the attack.
The father said that his son had sent him a text message as the bus was leaving Brandon, the last leg of its journey, to ask if he could come home for the night.
Mr. McLean told his son that, of course, he could come home, and that was the last contact he had with him.
A Facebook website called "R.I.P. Tim" quickly sprang up after news of the attack. "I can't believe this is happening," wrote Leah Dryburgh of Winnipeg. "Tim, you were the best guy ever. You didn't deserve this at all."
Police praised the reaction of the bus driver and passengers, which they say may have averted further injuries.
“They were very brave. They reacted swiftly and calmly in exiting the bus and as a result nobody else was injured,” Staff Sgt. Colwell said. “It's not every day that someone gets stabbed on a bus. I imagine it would be fairly traumatic for the other passengers on the bus and the way they reacted was extraordinary.”
The passengers were eventually taken to an RCMP station in Brandon to be questioned, and then put up for the night in a local hotel. Most stayed up late, bleary-eyed strangers gathering in small groups, talking through a horrifying event that defied rational explanation.
“I tried to lay down at 4 o'clock this morning and I was up 10 minutes later, because every time I close my eyes I see this man in the window with some guy's head I just smoked a cigarette with an hour before,” said passenger Cody Olmstead, who was on his way home to Nova Scotia.
Mr. Olmstead may have been the last person to speak to the victim before he was killed. He said they exchanged pleasantries, but not much more. The young man, who was about 5 foot 8 and 150 pounds, was dressed in baggy, hip-hop clothing, passengers said.
“He seemed to be all right. I didn't get to know him,” he said. “He just told me where he was going. I told him where I was going.”
At first, Mr. Olmstead said, he thought it was a regular fistfight. But when somebody yelled “knife,” everyone started to run.
“What can you do when a man's got a knife the size of, you know, it's a big knife. So we just tried to stay out of the way,” he said.
He said he didn't notice any tension between the two men beforehand, or even a minor incident that could have sparked a confrontation.
“No, there was no tension. The guy got on the bus, sat down beside the fellow. The fellow offered him the seat, woke up, said, ‘Yeah, go ahead,' fell back asleep. Next thing you know, he's getting stabbed repetitively,” he said. “And then I guess he cuts buddy's head off, and he walks up to the door, holds the head in the door and just looks at him, crazy like, and just drops the head.”
Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day called Thursday's incident horrific and said his heart goes to the family of the victim. However, he played down the possibility of enacting tough security measures in Canada's bus terminals, similar to what exists in airports.
“People should always be open to looking at precautionary measures. But let's keep in mind that as bizarre and tragic as this is, it is extremely rare,” Mr. Day said.
He also dismissed talk by some opposition MPs of a “knife registry,” saying that millions of them are bought each year simply for kitchen use. He added that there are already provisions in the Criminal Code against crimes and assaults.
Speaking at a Conservative Party caucus meeting, Mr. Day said he does not want to jeopardize the investigation, but added he wants to see the killer “convicted in court.”
Grief counsellors from the Brandon Regional Health Authority were made available to the passengers at the hotel Wednesday night. They were eventually allowed to complete their journey to Winnipeg, even though all their possessions had to be left on the bus while police continued their search of the crime scene.
Greyhound paid for them to buy clothes Thursday, and later transported them into Winnipeg, where some were reunited with anxious family members late in the afternoon.
The bus remained parked at the side of the Trans-Canada Highway Thursday, about 20 kilometres west of Portage La Prairie, as forensic teams sifted through evidence.
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I dread to think what goes on in your head
Are you telling us that you seriously refuse to use buses on the grounds that one of the world's most psychotically dangerous individuals might just happen to choose the same day as you, to go to the same town, at the same time, on the same bus, and pick out YOU of all the other passengers in order to perform a little surgery?
With that kind of mentality, do you ever leave your house?
Trufflehound
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This is PROBABLY true, judging from the attacker's other behaviour, but if I was a defence lawyer I would certainly have to pick up on it.
If he only became aware of the incident once it was already underway, as he also says, then how can he state so categorically that nothing happened to provoke it?
- Jul 7, 2003
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Well I can't speak for Canadian legislation, but under the law in this country, there's bugger all any defence lawyer could do for his client in the same circumstances.
Provocation would not be a defence, and I'd suggest that the self defence option has gone straight out of the window owing to the magnitude of the force evidently used.
Common law allows an individual in the UK to use reasonable force to protect themselves, including a pre-emptive strike (contrary to popular belief, you don't necessarily have to wait for someone to attack you first, so long as you can demonstrate a reasonable belief that you felt threatened).
Stabbing someone dozens of times and cutting off their head goes a little beyond reasonable force, whatever the threat offered by the victim (probably none).
His only option will be an insanity plea, which, lets face it, appears a virtual certainty given what seems to have happened.
I dread to think what goes on in your head
Are you telling us that you seriously refuse to use buses on the grounds that one of the world's most psychotically dangerous individuals might just happen to choose the same day as you, to go to the same town, at the same time, on the same bus, and pick out YOU of all the other passengers in order to perform a little surgery?
With that kind of mentality, do you ever leave your house?
Are you saying it is now safe to leave these four walls. If so, I'll give it a try but you will tell me if any other dangers lurk outside. You can't be too careful when it comes to decapitation, especially when it's your head about to hit the floor!!!
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Go on - put your neck on the line.
Icy Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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Wonder how many people saw what you did there.