Weststander
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All the best as always.
Others need to be sensitive, not just for you, when they trot out stuff about the over 65’s or those with a health condition.
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All the best as always.
Others need to be sensitive, not just for you, when they trot out stuff about the over 65’s or those with a health condition.
Thinking of you and your wife though. I can't begin to understand the challenges you face
I tend to avoid my GP unless I really have to but by all accounts seeing a GP is much more difficult (that is any GP, not 'yours').
I really think triaging access to the NHS isn't the job of medically unqualified receptionists.
Not really my field but on-line appointments might sort some things out but there still should be the option of an in person one.
I would hope Mayor's would defend their area against national pressures (even from the same party). They certainly should do if they want to keep their jobs.
Machiavelli
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Are you saying that it's fake news?
Lower West Stander
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No.
What I'm saying is that its selective news. I've said before on here that it is possible to use data to prove any point you want. In the Times today it was reported that there were 9 more deaths in the 1st week of October than last year. This suggests that people who were dying of flu for example are now dying of Covid instead - and this doesn't take account of the lack of treatment of patients with other illnesses. Its just another data source....
Listening to the news in the car yesterday, some random doctor was quoted as saying all the pubs shut be shut now. Why don't the press ever report a random doctor saying all the pubs should stay open?
I'm no conspiracy theorist but I think we've lost the plot on the way this is being viewed in the context of the wider world. My partner is an NHS ward sister and she is tearing her hair out at the lack of treatment on her dementia ward because all (and I mean all) resources are being diverted to Covid.
Machiavelli
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I agree with some of what you're saying, but not others. Ultimately, all statistics require selection in order to make it to the front of the media's and/or politicians' attention, which then tends to be what the public is exposed to. There is then an onus on which statistics/data are selected, and there the notion of significance comes in. I'm comfortable with the way in which the CMO and CSO and Public Health England, for instance, have been sharing statistics. Ditto with most reputable media outlets. Ditto with John Hopkins, and the WHO, and public intellectuals (Costello, Speigelhalter, Sridhar, Harford, etc) and public bodies (eg, independent-SAGE).
So, the key figures to look for in the UK tend to be the number of cases, hospitalisations, and deaths, and also the R-rate, in my view. We can also compare them with earlier phases of Covid, but that requires caveating.
What you'll find is that this is a serious pandemic that has been estimated to have been contracted by 10% of the world's population, that spreads unlike other recent pandemics because it can be both pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic, that causes excess deaths and, as a result of all this, requires stringent restrictions imposed by governments. This has been what governments around the world have been implementing, although how governments have implemented restrictions has varied markedly which, in turn, has impacted on the number of cases and deaths in each country. So, I'm not sure what you mean about what this means in terms of the wider world. I'm also unsure of your point about your sister. On this, firstly, a focus on statistics should be seen as an alternative to highlighting the viewpoint of someone's experience at the coalface. Second, if the NHS is overwhelmed with Covid cases, then they will have to manage that alongside the other ongoing conditions they have to treat and, as a consequence, we should do what we can to avoid that scenario arising ('Protect the NHS' was one of the mantras/justifications behind the initial lockdown).
The Wizard
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Sturgeon extending Scotland’s ‘circuit breaker’ to an indefinite period of lockdown, what a shocking turn of events.... 
Justice
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Sturgeon extending Scotland’s ‘circuit breaker’ to an indefinite period of lockdown, what a shocking turn of events....
You mean the 16 day lockdown for a quick circuit break has been extended.
I’m shocked, No one could have seen this happening.
Tight shorts
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Exactly what the nurse at G.P surgery said, who has been seeing patients for tests and jabs etc all the way through.
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No, I don’t know what the larger number is. Sorry.
No evidence to suggest lockdown has saved anyone’s lives, but it does seem like it’s lead to more people dying at home.
The 43,726 number you quote isn’t the actual number of Covid deaths. I’d be surprised if half of those people had it let alone died because of it.
I think I saw that the average age of a Covid death is 84. Almost all people that have died with it would have died of flu or pneumonia anyway. This has killed far less than what flu did a few years ago, yet we didn’t have the news constantly fear mongering about it all the time.
I also saw the other day that flu is killing more people than Covid at the moment. So, which one is worse? And why don’t we lockdown every time flu comes around?
Good to see more and more people are questioning the narrative though and seeing it for what it really is.
No, I don’t know what the larger number is. Sorry.
No evidence to suggest lockdown has saved anyone’s lives, but it does seem like it’s lead to more people dying at home.
The 43,726 number you quote isn’t the actual number of Covid deaths. I’d be surprised if half of those people had it let alone died because of it.
I think I saw that the average age of a Covid death is 84. Almost all people that have died with it would have died of flu or pneumonia anyway. This has killed far less than what flu did a few years ago, yet we didn’t have the news constantly fear mongering about it all the time.
I also saw the other day that flu is killing more people than Covid at the moment. So, which one is worse? And why don’t we lockdown every time flu comes around?
Good to see more and more people are questioning the narrative though and seeing it for what it really is.
Flu v Coronavirus figs below.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ive-year-averages-for-influenza-and-pneumonia
Expect they’ve lumped them together.
We also know they’ve put Covid as a cause of death when it hasn’t been.
They said on Sky News a couple of months ago that the figures were exaggerated. It was conveniently forgotten about within a day and the usual scaremongering rubbish continued.
Covid has hasn’t killed as many people in one month as flu has.
COVID-19 is a virus that spreads either through face to face contact or on contaminated surfaces. Are you seriously suggesting that bringing in rules that reduce face to face contact and people touching surfaces didn't reduce the spread of it, and by extension hospital admissions and deaths?
Dying of COVID-19 is categorised as having had a positive test in the 28 days before dying (this was changed to put a time limit on it for reasons you are hinting at). Bearing in mind people weren't getting tested at all in the early days I think that is as good a method as any of counting them.
The Flu killing as many people as Covid-19 in the UK is incorrect and has been disproved several times on here.
darkwolf666
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Ok, now I understand why Harry Wilson’s Tackle has you on ignore...
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darkwolf666
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Sorry, what was that Facebook link supposed to prove?
MPs are currently voting on extra support for workers/companies affected.
This could get messy for the tories.
This could get messy for the tories.
Wel, it’s not incorrect. You tell me when Covid has killed over 28,000 in 1 month.
No, I am not suggesting the reduction face to face contact has, ultimately, stopped the spread of this particular virus, it has merely drawn it out for much longer. The people who died ‘of’ it were always going to get it unless we developed herd immunity as quickly as possible.
When the government made us have the 3 week lockdown, they must have fully well known that the virus wouldn’t just disappear. In a way, the lockdown has proven that it does nothing to stop people from getting it. If the government really wanted to stop Covid getting here, they would’ve stop travel into this country, but they didn’t, they knew exactly what they were doing.
No, I don’t think the recording of other deaths as a Covid death is very helpful at all. It just makes it looks more dangerous than it is as keeps people in fear, but that’s probably what they want. They way they’ve gone about it is psychological warfare.
Since March, I’ve been inside my house about 98% of the time. I’m 29, single, should be meeting people, trying to get somewhere in my life. I am unable to because of a virus that people have been scared into believing is worse than flu. How do you think I feel? How would you feel?
Half a year of my life wasted for a virus that was always going to infect a certain amount of people, lockdown or not.