Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Uncle Spielberg]

Those defending this farce will be tagging those deaths as covid related, watch.

Quite

" Man eaten by a shark died of Covid 19 after testing positive "

It is good to see there are still some independent free thinkers out there

 

[nwgull]

[tweet]1270342536431894535[/tweet]

Another positive tweet. Also, one thought-provoking comment in the thread - is what we have now the second wave many are worried about, and the first was much earlier Food for thought...........

No. A second wave, if it occurs, will happen after lockdown and social distancing restrictions have been eased.

 

[dazzer6666]

You seem very sure. Basis?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Some odd things coming out

Asymptomatic people passing on the virus is very rare - who
It is almost impossible to pass the virus on outside - who and many scientists

Ok then, so the last 3 months advice was nonsense then ?

 

[BLOCK F]

The full consequences of this prolonged lockdown will become clear in time and the utter devastation it has caused now and for many years ahead with the increased death toll that has nothing to do with Covid 19 but as a result of deciding to bankrupt the whole country and the poverty that will ensue destroying millions of lives. The high street will be unrecognisable across the country by the end of the year and the hospitality sector gone as it is not possible to run a business with 2 meters apart let alone 1. What is alarming is the social distancing is here to stay with no one questioning it and why it is even if the virus is no longer here and just accepting the " new normal "

You are right, social distancing is the biggie here. Whilst this exists, it is impossible for life to get back to normal. I think people are starting to question it especially in the light of the problems it causes the hospitality industry. However, the rate of infection and deaths in the country still remain stubbornly high, and whilst this is the case, I think there will only be a very cautious approach to reopening hospitality and relaxing the two metre rule.
Personal observations from my quiet part of the West Sussex coast is that many youngsters are meeting up in groups and totally disregarding SD within their group and quite a few family and friends are meeting up in each others houses for socials. We have a second home owner near us and they frequently come down and spend the night there. Amongst all this, there are a number of people who are terrified and barely dare venture out of their homes. even though they are not 'shielders'.
SD can't be here to stay, and it won't be, it is already being disregarded by many and it is unsustainable in society. I hate the expression, 'the new normal'; there is nothing normal about it, I prefer to say, 'the transitional phase back to normality'.How long this will last , I just don't know and that is a pain in the arse, but I am sure we will all have to poke up with it for some time yet.

 

[sparkie]

Some odd things coming out

Asymptomatic people passing on the virus is very rare - who
It is almost impossible to pass the virus on outside - who and many scientists

Ok then, so the last 3 months advice was nonsense then ?

Although science is pretty much in agreement that "superspreader events" ( even outside ) need to be avoided.

Which leads to the possibility that superspreader events in themselves maybe ok, unless a superspreader person happens to attend ?

 

[The Wizard]

Some odd things coming out

Asymptomatic people passing on the virus is very rare - who
It is almost impossible to pass the virus on outside - who and many scientists

Ok then, so the last 3 months advice was nonsense then ?

Yeah, the asymptomatic things was reported a couple of days ago Then yesterday multiple scientific organisations came out and said they were astonished by WHO coming out with such a brazen and dangerous statement and that their research was not based on a big enough sample, I must say even though I want to believe that I find it very difficult to believe that everyone still catching the virus in the U.K. is catching it from symptomatic people who disobeying the rules.

I agree with the rest of your posts by the way, this is a truly damaging period not just to the U.K. but all around the world, I stand by what I said back in April - more people are going to die from cancer, depression, economic depression, more people are dying at home because they are scared to call 999, the list could go on on and on.

All for a virus that has only killed 35 people with no significant underlying health issues under the age of 40, I would be willing to place a very large wager that more people under 40 will die from breast cancer and other common cancers under the age of 40 than from COVID 19x

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

No. A second wave, if it occurs, will happen after lockdown and social distancing restrictions have been eased.

If it follows most other viruses then it is likely to be very much weaker and may only be like seasonal flu.


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[beorhthelm]

The full consequences of this prolonged lockdown will become clear in time and the utter devastation it has caused now and for many years ahead with the increased death toll that has nothing to do with Covid 19 but as a result of deciding to bankrupt the whole country and the poverty that will ensue destroying millions of lives. The high street will be unrecognisable across the country by the end of the year and the hospitality sector gone as it is not possible to run a business with 2 meters apart let alone 1. What is alarming is the social distancing is here to stay with no one questioning it and why it is even if the virus is no longer here and just accepting the " new normal "

had to flatten the curve, protect the NHS. but then rest of world actted the same panic, because the cost of doing less and still having tens of thousands of deaths looks worse. many said dont put lives ahead of economy 3 months ago, not realising its not either or outcome.

 

[LamieRobertson]

This morning's headlines are quite interesting. The press seem to be realising there's knock on effect of lockdown.

I reckon all the people who were apoplectic about relaxing the SD rules will be losing it over schools not being open, waiting lists, indirect deaths, job losses etc by this time next week.

Took them long enough

 

[atomised]

You seem very sure. Basis?

An excuse to steer the good news thread off course

 

[LamieRobertson]

I think you mean,'1 metre apart let alone 2'.
You are right, social distancing is the biggie here. Whilst this exists, it is impossible for life to get back to normal. I think people are starting to question it especially in the light of the problems it causes the hospitality industry. However, the rate of infection and deaths in the country still remain stubbornly high, and whilst this is the case, I think there will only be a very cautious approach to reopening hospitality and relaxing the two metre rule.
Personal observations from my quiet part of the West Sussex coast is that many youngsters are meeting up in groups and totally disregarding SD within their group and quite a few family and friends are meeting up in each others houses for socials. We have a second home owner near us and they frequently come down and spend the night there. Amongst all this, there are a number of people who are terrified and barely dare venture out of their homes. even though they are not 'shielders'.
SD can't be here to stay, and it won't be, it is already being disregarded by many and it is unsustainable in society. I hate the expression, 'the new normal'; there is nothing normal about it, I prefer to say, 'the transitional phase back to normality'.How long this will last , I just don't know and that is a pain in the arse, but I am sure we will all have to poke up with it for some time yet.

I think you mean put up with it

Agree with all of that ....lads in groups of ten/fifteen coming off the beach all close together earlier this week...neighbour having people round etc etc ...and yet on a job yesterday the customer wasn’t keen on me being in the back garden as the neighbour might be in their garden, which was the other side of a large wall and about 5 metres away at the closest

No way will I accept this as anywhere near normal ....in time we will get there

 

[oldboyroy]

I think surely now 99% of the population are covid free(the many who've had it are now immune),1 metre rule is sufficient. I mean generally most will be cautious anyway and apart from packed pubs/sporting events/tubes and trains it's highly unlikely or you'd be very unlucky to catch the virus now. Life should return to normal and ok, if you do get this dry cough, fever you'll just get a test and do the right thing for your own piece of mind. The virus is nowhere near as prevalent as it was and totally under control now. The only exception I suppose is give it another 10 days just to make sure there is no spike in areas where the demos took place.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Yeah, the asymptomatic things was reported a couple of days ago Then yesterday multiple scientific organisations came out and said they were astonished by WHO coming out with such a brazen and dangerous statement and that their research was not based on a big enough sample, I must say even though I want to believe that I find it very difficult to believe that everyone still catching the virus in the U.K. is catching it from symptomatic people who disobeying the rules.

I agree with the rest of your posts by the way, this is a truly damaging period not just to the U.K. but all around the world, I stand by what I said back in April - more people are going to die from cancer, depression, economic depression, more people are dying at home because they are scared to call 999, the list could go on on and on.

All for a virus that has only killed 35 people with no significant underlying health issues under the age of 40, I would be willing to place a very large wager that more people under 40 will die from breast cancer and other common cancers under the age of 40 than from COVID 19x

Yes, it is utter madness

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

You are right, social distancing is the biggie here. Whilst this exists, it is impossible for life to get back to normal. I think people are starting to question it especially in the light of the problems it causes the hospitality industry. However, the rate of infection and deaths in the country still remain stubbornly high, and whilst this is the case, I think there will only be a very cautious approach to reopening hospitality and relaxing the two metre rule.
Personal observations from my quiet part of the West Sussex coast is that many youngsters are meeting up in groups and totally disregarding SD within their group and quite a few family and friends are meeting up in each others houses for socials. We have a second home owner near us and they frequently come down and spend the night there. Amongst all this, there are a number of people who are terrified and barely dare venture out of their homes. even though they are not 'shielders'.
SD can't be here to stay, and it won't be, it is already being disregarded by many and it is unsustainable in society. I hate the expression, 'the new normal'; there is nothing normal about it, I prefer to say, 'the transitional phase back to normality'.How long this will last , I just don't know and that is a pain in the arse, but I am sure we will all have to poke up with it for some time yet.

The language certainly from this government is social distancing is here forever until we are all forced to have a vaccine if and when they get one

 

[LamieRobertson]

I think surely now 99% of the population are covid free(the many who've had it are now immune),1 metre rule is sufficient. I mean generally most will be cautious anyway and apart from packed pubs/sporting events/tubes and trains it's highly unlikely or you'd be very unlucky to catch the virus now. Life should return to normal and ok, if you do get this dry cough, fever you'll just get a test and do the right thing for your own piece of mind. The virus is nowhere near as prevalent as it was and totally under control now. The only exception I suppose is give it another 10 days just to make sure there is no spike in areas where the demos took place.

No spike from demos will perhaps put pressure on government to rethink 2 metres ...spike from demos and it’ll stay longer

 

[Machiavelli]

Not just in the handful of top failures on deaths, cases, deaths by capita rates, but also worst in terms of the economy. Yet some characterise the performance of Johnson and the government as 'superb':

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ely-to-suffer-worst-covid-19-damage-says-oecd

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The language certainly from this government is social distancing is here forever until we are all forced to have a vaccine if and when they get one

I don’t believe that.

They are heading towards being completely unelectable.

That would kill them

 

[nwgull]

You seem very sure. Basis?

We're still in lockdown; the pubs are still closed; we can't watch a live match and we can't even hug our parents/children/grandchildren. It doesn't take a genius to work out that transmission rates will drop to <1 with most people following these guides/laws.

A second wave will be when we're back to normal and have a similar chance of catching the virus as we did in February - March time.

 

[LamieRobertson]

We're still in lockdown; the pubs are still closed; we can't watch a live match and we can't even hug our parents/children/grandchildren. It doesn't take a genius to work out that transmission rates will drop to <1 with most people following these guides/laws.

A second wave will be when we're back to normal and have a similar chance of catching the virus as we did in February - March time.

One to debate on the Covid forum