Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Perfidious Albion]

Contact discouraged with the over 70s.

Lots of older people, myself included own phones and tablets already loaded with a Skype app . They have the facility for video calling but have never bothered to set it up or learn how to use it....never needed to and I know anybody who uses it...

Now could be the time to set it up. It is a poor substitute for personal contact but it is better than nothing.

 

[Stat Brother]

Take it as Fake News if you like, thought it was worth posting,

Oh gosh no, and I most certainly haven't said that.

My point of the day is anyone can throw around random numbers because x said y.

I just feel there should be an extra look to ensure those numbers are the right number, or at least best guesses.

Chances are that report is correct those healthy patients have been admitted into ICU because of the virus.
It just would be helpful if the report actually said that.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

This is just the start of many more viruses as more people become immune to antibiotics, sad times ahead for all.

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[Swansman]

What is your source for this? You're posted a lot of unsubstantiated figures.
Population age

Older people, particularly those with ongoing health conditions, are more vulnerable to a range of illnesses, but coronavirus seems to be more concentrated among the elderly.

During the current flu season in France 72 people have died - 10 children under 15 years of age, 30 cases aged 15-64 and 32 cases aged 65 years and older.

By contrast coronavirus fatalities are generally older people. In France the youngest person reported to have died so far was 60 and 23 of the 33 people who have died so far were both over the age of 75 and suffering from a serious medical condition, said Director General of Health Jérôme Salomon.

He also added that in France, 98 percent of patients who have coronavirus recover.

My bad (happily) about France: when the news broke a lot of live updates wrote that half of the 91 were below 50 (reference to one source who did not remove the faulity info: https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/france-imposes-widespread-shut-down-to-stop-coronavirus-spread/), but I see now it was a mistake in reporting - they meant that half of the 300 ICU patients were below 60... which is still horrible but better.

As for the Dutch numbers: https://www.ad.nl/dossier-coronavir...ig~a058aad2/?referrer=https://www.google.com/

 

[beorhthelm]

A flash of the old Johnson though towards the end... " The UK is leading the world in the fightback against the Corona virus " … I'm just trying to figure out his parameters when it comes to " Leading " ?

standing behind a lecturn at an important presser.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Apologies if this has already been answered as I'm way behind on the thread, but if the growth in infections is exponential, is it not also fair to say that - since infection confers immunity - the *decrease* in the number of possible fresh targets for the virus is also exponential? And, if so, could this be where some of the more extreme extrapolations in terms of numbers infected, deaths etc are going awry?

Absolutely and something I missed .... obviously I’m not the brightest!


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[Cheshire Cat]

This is just the start of many more viruses as more people become immune to antibiotics, sad times ahead for all.

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Antibiotics don't touch viruses, only bacteria. But aside from technicalities you may be right.

Back to the 1820s.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A genuine compliment.

Imho you’re providing some sanity, whilst others are joining the personal attacks on politicians and scientists, and their work. Painting a picture, with an angle, that rest of Europe and the World is handling this brilliantly.

Are you including me among that cohort (curiosity, not accusation)? I have been critical of Vallance, with reason. Boris' decisions have been very British. I don't argue with the substance (which is largely 'we shall wait and see and advise people to wash their hands' because the tough decision needs a few days for inforcement measures to be put in place) but the presentation was unnerving ('but in a week we may have you under curfew, just see if we don't'). With the over 70s effectively under house arrest from a week's time (yes, I know he didn't say that but that's what my aged neighbours think he said - just back from a neighbourhood self help meeting) this is an invitation for hysterical hoarding during the next 7 days. It is only with a degree of residual self control that I manage to avoid joining the hysterics myself.

There are numerous over 70s on my street (which is a quiet cul de sac). Those I met this evening are refusing to stay at home, but they think they can avoid the virus. Dream on. As I said in another post, if people are going to be made to stay at home (urged, cajoled, forced, not clear what, yet) we NEED a national support network to ensure folk have food (forget about someone to chat to - people need to eat). Telling my 80+ neighbours they should not go shopping, and should not get in close proximity, is a load of old bollocks. If we had a wartime scenario, we'd march in and sort it out. Actually, that is what we are doing on my street. But I still can't tell whether I am over- or under-reacting.

The way things are, I predict looting by the weekend. Especially in Croydon. But will anyone notice*?

*This is a serious post but I reserve the right to sink to low comedy at the drop of a hat.

 

[daveinplzen]

re-mix of the new Aitch/AJ Tracey tune

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hogae8owyhY

 

[Kosh]

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Shine on [MENTION=494]Kosh[/MENTION] you crazy diamond

Tom I love you, and I want to have your babies.

 

[jackanada]

This is just the start of many more viruses as more people become immune to antibiotics, sad times ahead for all.

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Anti-biotics fight bacteria. This is a virus.
Abuse of anti biotics is a problem (more in agribusiness than in People mind) but that was a hilariously dumb thing to say.

 

[Ernest]

French miles ahead with their help for people , suspended utility bills from tomorrow

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

This is just the start of many more viruses as more people become immune to antibiotics, sad times ahead for all.

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Mate....

Bacteria become resistant to antibiotics (a serious issue).

Viruses are targetted by antivirals, and the main issue here is that viruses tend to live inside human cells where the antiviral drugs cannot see them or get to them. Consider herpes. It lives in nerve cell bodies. When it senses ideal conditions (from the chemicals in the nerve cell body, fed by our blood supply, contents dependent on our health and nutrition) it activates, swims down the nerve, then erups at the other end in the skin, where it reproduces and spreads its 'spores' (hopefully to a lucky recipient). Then it slinks off back to the nerve cell body where it lurks till the next time.

Cova-19 lives in the surface cells of the respiratory tract, but it can circulate round the body and make mischief. We don't know all the details yet but it can lurk in dark spaces and pop out when the wind is in the right direction.

There are two problems with viruses. One is they hide inside cells. The second is they mutate so they become different, and antivirals can no longer see them and splat them. Oh, and antibiotics don't work any more than slugbait kills mosquitos.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The retirement home will be in lockdown and not allow visitors

Ring up and ask them. They may insist on stringent conditions but I haven’t heard of any care homes in lockdown.

 

[Notters]

Lots of older people, myself included own phones and tablets already loaded with a Skype app . They have the facility for video calling but have never bothered to set it up or learn how to use it....never needed to and I know anybody who uses it...

Now could be the time to set it up. It is a poor substitute for personal contact but it is better than nothing.

Probably easier to use whatsapp video calls.

 

[Stat Brother]

Anti-biotics fight bacteria. This is a virus.
Abuse of anti biotics is a problem (more in agribusiness than in People mind) but that was a hilariously dumb thing to say.

Thanks for that, I too have made that dumb mistake, when making wider points about how poorly we treat ourselves and the planet generally.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Mate....

Bacteria become resistant to antibiotics (a serious issue).

Viruses are targetted by antivirals, and the main issue here is that viruses tend to live inside human cells where the antiviral drugs cannot see them or get to them. Consider herpes. It lives in nerve cell bodies. When it senses ideal conditions (from the chemicals in the nerve cell body, fed by our blood supply, contents dependent on our health and nutrition) it activates, swims down the nerve, then erups at the other end in the skin, where it reproduces and spreads its 'spores' (hopefully to a lucky recipient). Then it slinks off back to the nerve cell body where it lurks till the next time.

Cova-19 lives in the surface cells of the respiratory tract, but it can circulate round the body and make mischief. We don't know all the details yet but it can lurk in dark spaces and pop out when the wind is in the right direction.

There are two problems with viruses. One is they hide inside cells. The second is they mutate so they become different, and antivirals can no longer see them and splat them. Oh, and antibiotics don't work any more than slugbait kills mosquitos.

My point was as people become more immune to antibiotics and more viruses mutate and crop up, its doesn't bode well for survival rates overall

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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

BJ and his sock puppets pathetically blustering and floundering. Failing even to catch up with those organisations who have admirably taken their own lead

Take note, people. The above is not political point scoring designed to fuel an insurrection and a Corbyn government.

It is derision for the total lack of any offer of help, or reassurance that, in a week, there will be help, for those who are apparently going to be banned from attempting to shop at their produce-lite supermarkets, the old, the alone, the frightened.

The *****.

 

[dangull]

Mate....

Bacteria become resistant to antibiotics (a serious issue).

Viruses are targetted by antivirals, and the main issue here is that viruses tend to live inside human cells where the antiviral drugs cannot see them or get to them. Consider herpes. It lives in nerve cell bodies. When it senses ideal conditions (from the chemicals in the nerve cell body, fed by our blood supply, contents dependent on our health and nutrition) it activates, swims down the nerve, then erups at the other end in the skin, where it reproduces and spreads its 'spores' (hopefully to a lucky recipient). Then it slinks off back to the nerve cell body where it lurks till the next time.

Cova-19 lives in the surface cells of the respiratory tract, but it can circulate round the body and make mischief. We don't know all the details yet but it can lurk in dark spaces and pop out when the wind is in the right direction.

There are two problems with viruses. One is they hide inside cells. The second is they mutate so they become different, and antivirals can no longer see them and splat them. Oh, and antibiotics don't work any more than slugbait kills mosquitos.

Can we get this man as part of Boris's scientific advisers team.

 

[Icy Gull]

Ring up and ask them. They may insist on stringent conditions but I haven’t heard of any care homes in lockdown.

Mother of a girl who works with me works in a Care Home, they are not allowing visits. I guess that’s a lock down, good idea too imo.