Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[vagabond]

Coronavirus / Covid-19

How long do you suppose it will be before 99% of the under 70 population are infection free? From all accounts there is likely to be a vaccine before that happens.

In any case if 1% of the under 70 population are still infectious that is 500,000 people - release 10 million unprotected and vulnerable people from ‘quarantine’ into that population and you are simply asking for another spike in numbers, all high risk individuals.

With all the $$$ on the line I’m sure there are mass global efforts to find a vaccine right now. No worries there.

I’ve no idea, your guess is as good as mine. Frankly I’ve heard differing reports from the governments plans. Herd immunity is one, but was denied, then confirmed again (or the other way around).

They obviously have a very set model which also includes ‘flattening the curve’, so as to reduce impact on hospitals. Social distancing is one phase. If we follow the Italian lockdown model next, where you can’t go out other than for essentials, that could be the next phase.... but I think then people will be scared.

 

[yxee]

Yet manufacturers such as Rolls Royce know nothing about this, perish the thought he is bullshitting again

What about "the government is going to ask manufacturers..." implies they would already know?

Everybody is so anti-government in here, to the point of being obtuse

 

[Triggaaar]

Daughter mentioned exactly this to me earlier today - those regularly taking ibuprofen showing greater propensity to increased effects of the infection

But people regularly taking ibuprofen are going to have (on average) poorer health to start with than those who aren't, so I'd think it stands to reason that those people will on average suffer increased effects.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Daughter mentioned exactly this to me earlier today - those regularly taking ibuprofen showing greater propensity to increased effects of the infection (she has a condition that means she takes a fair amount, and is also a nurse in a ward dealing with elderly patients, so has a vested interest).

Interesting stuff. I tend to avoid NSAIDs because they are bad for long distance runners and can **** your kidneys up if you are a serious athlete. But, from time to time, fit people will take then for their anti-inflammatory properties so they can carry on training. I've not touched Ibuprofen in general while marathon training but I take shitloads when I am injured. I've no idea if this is good or bad

 

[sparkie]

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I saw that earlier, shrugged and thought "typical trump".

He can't sink any lower, nothing surprises me.

 

[Bold Seagull]

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[yxee]

This over 70's isolation plan has to be extremely well defined and explained. I heard a doctor on Radio 5 earlier answering an elderly gentleman who wanted to know whether he would still be able to go for his daily bike ride. The doctor said yes, as long as he did not mix with others. I am sure others will come along and say that he should not do this.

I don't know why broadcasters facilitate such a conversation knowing the doctor can't possibly have the correct answer. The government hasn't published any details of the plan yet...

 

[Guinness Boy]

But people regularly taking ibuprofen are going to have (on average) poorer health to start with than those who aren't, so I'd think it stands to reason that those people will on average suffer increased effects.

No it absolutely doesn't. As just posted injured sports people will take it because it quickly reduces inflammation.

 

[vagabond]

Coronavirus / Covid-19

And this is an example of the lockdown in Benidorm last night:

https://twitter.com/privowen/status/1238916943802961920?s=21

This is what I’m concerned may be a future ‘phase’ for our response plan. This approach may scare and panic people, especially those who haven’t been taking this pandemic seriously.

 

[Triggaaar]

But for many of us it will be relatively mild symptoms, provided you’re under a certain age and have no respiratory problems.

So what that it will be mild for many of us? Have you thought about the numbers? 2 million new infections every week! That's over 10 times as many as the total number of cases reported in the whole world, since the whole thing started - but just in the UK - every week!

Even if it were mild for 90% of us, that's still 200,000 new people every week that have not got it mild.

 

[Triggaaar]

No it absolutely doesn't. As just posted injured sports people will take it because it quickly reduces inflammation.

Most people regularly taking ibuprofen are not injured sports people. Injured sports people would also stop taking it as they recover.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Most people regularly taking ibuprofen are not injured sports people. Injured sports people would also stop taking it as they recover.

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[vagabond]

Coronavirus / Covid-19

So what that it will be mild for many of us? Have you thought about the numbers? 2 million new infections every week! That's over 10 times as many as the total number of cases reported in the whole world, since the whole thing started - but just in the UK - every week!

Even if it were mild for 90% of us, that's still 200,000 new people every week that have not got it mild.

I don’t know. I’m only theorising based on what is understood by herd immunity, not saying it’s the right or wrong way.

However don’t forget those numbers probably aren’t vastly different to the number of regular cold and flu strains.

I don’t feel 100% clear on what the complete government strategy is.

 

[dazzer6666]

Interesting stuff. I tend to avoid NSAIDs because they are bad for long distance runners and can **** your kidneys up if you are a serious athlete. But, from time to time, fit people will take then for their anti-inflammatory properties so they can carry on training. I've not touched Ibuprofen in general while marathon training but I take shitloads when I am injured. I've no idea if this is good or bad

......something about ibuprofen and inflammation both being linked to immune response apparently (she lost me at that point [emoji23][emoji23])

As for long distance running, absolutely do not take any ibuprofen. It causes something called rhabdomyolisis and possibly subsequent kidney failure. I know one ultrarunner who was affected - air ambulance off the race, several days in ITU and will never run another ultra.

 

[Wozza]

With all the $$$ on the line I’m sure there are mass global efforts to find a vaccine right now. No worries there.

Hasn't been formulated yet, let alone tested (takes many months), manufactured and distributed.

 

[yxee]

I don’t know. I’m only theorising based on what is understood by herd immunity, not saying it’s the right or wrong way.

However don’t forget those numbers probably aren’t vastly different to the number of regular cold and flu strains.

I don’t feel 100% clear on what the complete government strategy is.

The "herd immunity" is a misunderstanding. At the press conference last Thurs, they said paraphrasing "this is going to spread and we can't stop that, it would not be desirable to stop it because we need long-term immunity, so our goal is to delay the spread".

That has been interpreted as "we need it to spread so that we get immunity and that immunity will become our way of delaying things". I.e. the "herd immunity" defence. Which is a complete misunderstanding.

 

[BN41Albion]

I saw that earlier, shrugged and thought "typical trump".

He can't sink any lower, nothing surprises me.

Awaits Spence's reply defending him...

 

[peterward]

I don’t know. I’m only theorising based on what is understood by herd immunity, not saying it’s the right or wrong way.

However don’t forget those numbers probably aren’t vastly different to the number of regular cold and flu strains.

I don’t feel 100% clear on what the complete government strategy is.

Austrian government saying it's the wrong way. BBC article reported earlier they'd sent text messages to UK based citizens telling them to return home to Austria for their own safety as they did not believe in the approach the UK was taking.

 

[beorhthelm]

Most people regularly taking ibuprofen are not injured sports people. Injured sports people would also stop taking it as they recover.

is that a fact? do you know for a fact ibuprofen use is linked to poor health?

 

[beorhthelm]

I don’t feel 100% clear on what the complete government strategy is.

they arent either.