Lunacy of the town that turned Green

[The Large One]

They won that for the level? Interesting, where's your evidence? The Brighton & Hove Skatepark association did a hell of a lot towards that, and many commented on the reluctance of Greens to listen to their proposals. I was a regular down the old Level skatepark when it was all wood and had attended a few meetings..

The Level is a triumph for the Green council; I've spoken to many councillors of all colours who have (privately) commented on that. Labour actually voted against it.

There's no real logic in the removal of the dual carriage way then converting it to a 20mph zone. You're slowing down traffic as it is by removing such a lane then slowing it down further. There'd be more omissions in theory.

Which dual carriageway was built then turned into a 20mph zone?

If you're talking about Lewes Road, as you've been told many times, that was a Tory project, approved by all parties - not just the Greens. And it's still a 30mph road.

I'm interested in knowing where the lies and anti-left propaganda are. Businesses are suffering as a result of the Green's attitude towards them. Generally, what they've reported in the article is true. Council tax rise is not going to help with the high living costs of the city duped with the static salaries that aren't keeping up with the high living costs.

What evidence do you have for saying 'businesses are suffering as a result of the Green's attitude towards them.'? What attitude? What suffering? Can you produce the figures that don't rely on apocryphal tales?

What ever party gets in next, whether that's Tory or Labour, is going to have a hell of a clean up to do..

Wrong. Whatever party gets in next will pretty much continue what has been going on for the past 15-20 years, which is something the Green did too.

90% of council business is carried out in total agreement across the parties. In that sense, the Greens haven't changed that.

 

[Albumen]

To be honest, this critique from the Daily Mail will only help the Greens. It's mostly meaningless non-stories that the Mail (and its sister rag, the Argus) is so good at peddling.

The latest wheeze, regarding the coast road and about them being 'under attack', is from the opportunist Labour leader on the council - Warren Morgan, someone who makes Jason Kitcat look a glorious leader - who has decided to resort to not knowing what he's on about to fund the repairs.

In short, he said money should be diverted from the Valley Gardens project to pay for the repairs. What he had to be told - to his embarrassment - is that that money doesn't exist. It's something the council is applying for, but hasn't had approved yet.

Oh, and the transgender toilet bit is a total lie, as is the quote from Christina Summers, and the stuff about the protest camp.

And the meat-free canteen tale. So, apart from all this it's a very well written bit of fictional work.

 

[kevo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...est-party-took-Brighton.html#comments-2613905

Lunacy of people who read the Daily Mail.

 

[Guinness Boy]

To be honest, this critique from the Daily Mail will only help the Greens. It's mostly meaningless non-stories that the Mail (and its sister rag, the Argus) is so good at peddling.

The latest wheeze, regarding the coast road and about them being 'under attack', is from the opportunist Labour leader on the council - Warren Morgan, someone who makes Jason Kitcat look a glorious leader - who has decided to resort to not knowing what he's on about to fund the repairs.

In short, he said money should be diverted from the Valley Gardens project to pay for the repairs. What he had to be told - to his embarrassment - is that that money doesn't exist. It's something the council is applying for, but hasn't had approved yet.

Oh, and the transgender toilet bit is a total lie, as is the quote from Christina Summers, and the stuff about the protest camp.

Which are probably the bits I cared the least about.

It's the infighting and the generally being rubbish at getting things done that I object to. It's like Degsy's Liverpool council and a stark warning as to what would happen if they were let loose nationally.

Let's leave the Level debate since you and Greers Elbow are posting the complete opposite and just look at their "achievements" in my ward.

- Failure to purchase land for extension of St Peters in time resulting in project overrun and the world's tiniest Primary School
- School place allocation cock up
- 20mph limit on Trafalgar Road that NO ONE obeys without any additional cameras or calming (and you can turn right and theoretically do 30 on tiny one way streets)
- Never knowing when your recycling is being taken leading to lower recycling levels
- Unreliable general waste collection leading to overflowing bins and the world's largest seagulls.

I don't really give a flying about toilets or protest camps. This idiocy affects me daily.

 

[The Large One]

- Failure to purchase land for extension of St Peters in time resulting in project overrun and the world's tiniest Primary School
- School place allocation cock up
- 20mph limit on Trafalgar Road that NO ONE obeys without any additional cameras or calming (and you can turn right and theoretically do 30 on tiny one way streets)
- Never knowing when your recycling is being taken leading to lower recycling levels
- Unreliable general waste collection leading to overflowing bins and the world's largest seagulls.

One and three are evidently Portslade issues. I'll take your word for them. The community around where I am has just lobbied the council to include Stanford Avenue, Preston Drove and part of Surrenden Road to be included in the 20mph zone, after Labour had them excluded from the latest round of changes, citing taxi and bus company objections. Curiously, none of the taxi or bus companies have objected to the 20mph petition.

Number 2 is something that happens to every council up and down the country. BHCC ended up 'controversially' (though correctly) bringing in the criterion of 'lottery' in 2006. That's hardly a Green Party-only issue.

Number 4 and 5 - I know when the bins and re-cycling are done here, and they get done when they say so. Weird.

 

[Guinness Boy]

One and three are evidently Portslade issues. I'll take your word for them. The community around where I am has just lobbied the council to include Stanford Avenue, Preston Drove and part of Surrenden Road to be included in the 20mph zone, after Labour had them excluded from the latest round of changes, citing taxi and bus company objections. Curiously, none of the taxi or bus companies have objected to the 20mph petition.

Number 2 is something that happens to every council up and down the country. BHCC ended up 'controversially' (though correctly) bringing in the criterion of 'lottery' in 2006. That's hardly a Green Party-only issue.

Number 4 and 5 - I know when the bins and re-cycling are done here, and they get done when they say so. Weird.

4 & 5 - I know when they should get done, it just doesn't happen that often thanks to the crew rota changes. I think you're ok if you have a black communal street bin.

But let's not take my word for it. Let's certainly not take The Fail's. Here's an interview with Mr Kitcat himself in The Guardian that pretty much lists all the stuff the Greens as a governing party are hopeless at. No toilets or protest camps mentioned.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/15/greens-blown-it-in-brighton

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Lunacy of people who read the Daily Mail.

 

[Machiavelli]

4 & 5 - I know when they should get done, it just doesn't happen that often thanks to the crew rota changes. I think you're ok if you have a black communal street bin.

But let's not take my word for it. Let's certainly not take The Fail's. Here's an interview with Mr Kitcat himself in The Guardian that pretty much lists all the stuff the Greens as a governing party are hopeless at. No toilets or protest camps mentioned.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/15/greens-blown-it-in-brighton

I'm not so sure that that constitutes a list of what the Greens are hopeless at. Perhaps you could divulge, and put me right. It does indicate that the Greens have been far too divided in office, which they will punished for come the next locals.
Beyond the bin strike, waste and recycling collections have been fine in these parts, as has the allocation of school places.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...-fraud-mail-on-sunday-backlash-donations-100k

The mail using fake accreditaion managed too get a food bank to give a journalist posing as an unemployed father of two a food parcel.

The story has resulted in the food bank getting over £100 in donations

Perhaps this story will get the Greens more votes, by the many that oppose their negative and fake journalism.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm not so sure that that constitutes a list of what the Greens are hopeless at. Perhaps you could divulge, and put me right. It does indicate that the Greens have been far too divided in office, which they will punished for come the next locals.
Beyond the bin strike, waste and recycling collections have been fine in these parts, as has the allocation of school places.

As I said on my original post these are all issues that affect my ward. School places refers to the recent practice of admitting people to Portslade schools if their postcode is BN41 but their local authority is Adur / West Sussex because it's "fairer". Except - guest what - the school gets no funding and there's no reciprocal arrangement. The Greens - despite being behind "social justice" - do not try that hard in the estates because they know there no vote in it. They target the metropolitan middle classes and students who elected them.

The article sets out in fairly good detail the infighting and inability to keep our city clean that I was complaining about.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I don't live in Brighton, however visit family on a weekly basis, and would make the following impartial comments based on my observations.

Seven Dials is a great improvement, certainly for motorists. Can't comment for pedestrians.

The work carried out at The Level is again, a great improvement.

The 20 mph speed limits are a pain, but I do understand the policy in a way, particularly in streets with parked cars on both sides of the road.

There seem to be less independent shops compared to 20 years ago. I could be wrong.

Lewes road and London road still need major investment, and general improvement.

The rubbish collection and recycling policies are poor.

Parking is very expensive, as is public transport.

The streets are dirty

Cycle lanes are in principle a good idea, however either extend them city wide, or abandon them. At the moment it's a bit half hearted.

Still love visiting the City, but glad I don't live there.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

- Unreliable general waste collection leading to overflowing bins and the world's largest seagulls.

You cannot have been to Plymouth then , the seagulls down there are ginormous making the Brighton seagulls look like baby fledglings.

 

[Guinness Boy]

You cannot have been to Plymouth then , the seagulls down there are ginormous making the Brighton seagulls look like baby fledglings.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Worst decision the council ever took was to turn down Frank Gehry's plans for the redevelopment of the site around the King Alfred. We'd have had a world class iconic building up and running by now, complete with state of the art leisure facilities.

Blimey! Well said.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I don't live in Brighton, however visit family on a weekly basis, and would make the following impartial comments based on my observations.

Seven Dials is a great improvements, certainly for motorists. Can't comment for pedestrians.

The work carried out at The Level is again, a great improvement.

Both good improvement, 'tree gate' notwithstanding. Both in Green voting heartlands. Not much investment in the parks of Whitehawk, Moulescoomb and Portslade. Social justice?

The 20 mph speed limits are a pain, but I do understand the policy in a way, particularly in streets with parked cars on both sides of the road.

Agree. However Trafalgar / Church Road was one of the first and it's double yellows both sides. TBH a couple of speed bumps, a camera and a pelican crossing at the bottom would have been much better use of huge money than some brand new 20mph signs.

There seem to be less independent shops compared to 20 years ago. I could be wrong.

Correct but not anywhere near down to the Greens. Greedy landlords and Tesco Metro ahoy.

Parking is very expensive, as is public transport.

Not an issue if you live in Hanover or Regency.....

The streets are dirty

Yes, yes they are.

Pretty good analysis I would say

 

[nicko31]

The Mail has gotta be the worst paper of the lot, the Express is competant the Mail just plain old nasty...

 

[LargeHadronZugzwang]

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[brighton bluenose]

brighton bluenose & The Great Gatsbt, I’m not offended by your responses to me, but now I have replied do I not even get a “fair enough” comment from you both?

Apologies for not providing the 'fair enough' you hoped for but a) I had gone to the pub by then and b) an ice rink or ten pin bowling alley would not generate sufficient income to finance a state of the art leisure facility - after all that was why we were told we had to have the Frank Gehry monstrosity with 850 flats on the KA site to pay for a 25million quid sports centre!!

 

[brighton bluenose]

Generally, you'd think after thumbs downing someone's post, you'd comment as to why you disagree. However, Mustafa instead avoids replying and just thumbs down. I personally dislike the function as it doesn't really add anything.


They won that for the level? Interesting, where's your evidence? The Brighton & Hove Skatepark association did a hell of a lot towards that, and many commented on the reluctance of Greens to listen to their proposals. I was a regular down the old Level skatepark when it was all wood and had attended a few meetings.

It's not run down? Where were you when the bin men went on strike?

There's no real logic in the removal of the dual carriage way then converting it to a 20mph zone. You're slowing down traffic as it is by removing such a lane then slowing it down further. There'd be more omissions in theory.

I'm interested in knowing where the lies and anti-left propaganda are. Businesses are suffering as a result of the Green's attitude towards them. Generally, what they've reported in the article is true. Council tax rise is not going to help with the high living costs of the city duped with the static salaries that aren't keeping up with the high living costs. What ever party gets in next, whether that's Tory or Labour, is going to have a hell of a clean up to do.



Nah, that's the Daily Express, they're still on her.

Perhaps you can provide some evidence that 'businesses are suffering due to the Greens attitudes towards them'?!

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

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