Lorry crashes into Christmas Market Berlin.

[trueblue]

This thread is becoming a little derailed now isn't it?

Indeed. I'm out.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Improving the infrastructure creates jobs in itself. It puts money in people's pockets that in turn goes back into our economy. More people are paying tax. How has 'austerity' had a positive impact on the national debt? There are no easy answers but it should be possible to strike a better balance than we have at the moment. There are other measures of a country's success than how rich it's making its highest earners - and that's what Britain is geared towards at the moment.

I agree with most of what you say but part of that better balance is having a realistic immigration policy with defined limits. That is part of how we achieve improvements in our society for all and not just the rich who benefit from the cheap Labour and don't use public services. You need to define limits on immigration otherwise you cannot ever achieve balance.

 

[Goldstone1976]

This thread is becoming a little derailed now isn't it?

They nearly always do; typically ending up with half a dozen posters getting more and more abusive to each other about the impact of immigration on the UK, until one or other mod gets tired of reading the abuse and parks the thread in Division 2. This one isn't there yet (imo), but the tell-tale signs are there - perhaps this one will be different though? One can only live in hope.

 

[trueblue]

I agree with most of what you say but part of that better balance is having a realistic immigration policy with defined limits. That is part of how we achieve improvements in our society for all and not just the rich who benefit from the cheap Labour and don't use public services. You need to define limits on immigration otherwise you cannot ever achieve balance.

Indeed. As I acknowledged earlier: "More control of immigration to make sure people are contributing positively to our society may have a part to play, but it's just a part".

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Control immigration and spend a shit load more on our infrastructure and services, simple really isn't it? Shame those in charge of us don't give a flying f***! Whilst we all argue amongst ourselves they carry on laughing into their pits of money. Things will never change for the better because on the whole the majority of the general public are morons.

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[Neville's Breakfast]

Control immigration and spend a shit load more on our infrastructure and services, simple really isn't it? Shame those in charge of us don't give a flying f***! Whilst we all argue amongst ourselves they carry on laughing into their pits of money. Things will never change for the better because on the whole the majority of the general public are morons.

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Substitute 'powerless' for 'morons' and then I agree with you completely.

 

[Hastings gull]

Control immigration and spend a shit load more on our infrastructure and services, simple really isn't it? Shame those in charge of us don't give a flying f***! Whilst we all argue amongst ourselves they carry on laughing into their pits of money. Things will never change for the better because on the whole the majority of the general public are morons.
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Yet another who sees everyone else of a different persuasion as a moron; whilst posting something that is absurdly simplistic.

 

[El Presidente]

on the whole the majority of the general public are morons.

Shouldn't this comment be moved to the X-Factor thread?

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Shouldn't this comment be moved to the X-Factor thread?

X-factor has a lot to answer for.

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[Wrong-Direction]

Yet another who sees everyone else of a different persuasion as a moron; whilst posting something that is absurdly simplistic.

Is it simplistic? Surely it's just common sense? You now move to the moron gang congratulations.

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[Herr Tubthumper]

Yet another who sees everyone else of a different persuasion as a moron; whilst posting something that is absurdly simplistic.

Have you ever worked with the public? By and large they are morons irrespective of their persuasion.

 

[heathgate]

Immigration down here in Plymouth and the SW is extremely concerning and it won't be long before the people who were born here will lose patience with the influx of middle class white folk from London and the SE moving down here for a better quality of life with their snobbish look at me and look what I have got attitudes, driving like idiots in their BMW's and generally looking down their noses at the poorer and hard working locals.
The sooner they adjust, like I have, to the ways of the janners and fit in the better or they can all clear off back to where they came from.

Not a new phenomenon... although the euphemistically named 'white-flight' is a well documented reality... not just a narrative used by the 'Guardian readers' of this world to shout racist and little Englander randomly out into the liberal ether.

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[Yoda]

Back on to the main subject in question, Berlin police hunting a Tunisian man after finding ID doc in the truck.

 

[Hastings gull]

Have you ever worked with the public? By and large they are morons irrespective of their persuasion.

35 years of teaching and dealing with parents might qualify me. I find your and the other poster's comments arrogant and sad in equal measure. No one disputes that some folk can be very difficult, but that is absolutely no excuse for the drivel that you have come up with. Presumably, by your logic, most posters on NSC are morons?

 

[Insel affe]

A very brave man indeed by the sounds of it.

Meanwhile, it has emerged that the original driver of the truck may have fought the attacker as the vehicle was being driven into the market.
Polish citizen Lukasz Urban was found dead on the passenger seat with gunshot and stab wounds.
Investigators quoted by German media say there is evidence that, despite being stabbed, Mr Urban wrestled him for the steering wheel.
One official quoted by Bild newspaper said it appeared from the post-mortem examination that the driver had survived up to the attack and was shot dead when the truck came to a halt. No gun has been recovered.

Ariel Zurawski, the owner of the Polish transport company, said he had been asked to identify Mr Urban from photographs.
"His face was swollen and bloodied. It was really clear that he was fighting for his life," he told broadcaster TVN.
Company manager Lukasz Wasik described Mr Urban as a "good, quiet and honest person" and said he believed he would have defended the truck "to the end".

Wow I have only just noticed that name Wasik I was engaged to a Polish girl for 10 years with that surname.

R.I.P fella.

 

[alfredmizen]

Have you ever worked with the public? By and large they are morons irrespective of their persuasion.

Have you ever thought of a career change to the diplomatic corps?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

35 years of teaching and dealing with parents might qualify me. I find your and the other poster's comments arrogant and sad in equal measure. No one disputes that some folk can be very difficult, but that is absolutely no excuse for the drivel that you have come up with. Presumably, by your logic, most posters on NSC are morons?

Yes, take a look yourself.

PS lighten up.

 

[Insel affe]

German police are hunting a Tunisian man over the Berlin market attack after finding documents in the truck, according to reports.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

35 years of teaching and dealing with parents might qualify me. I find your and the other poster's comments arrogant and sad in equal measure. No one disputes that some folk can be very difficult, but that is absolutely no excuse for the drivel that you have come up with. Presumably, by your logic, most posters on NSC are morons?

Yes they are LOL [emoji23]

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[Herr Tubthumper]

Have you ever thought of a career change to the diplomatic corps?

Would love to. I might not get very far but I'd have fun doing it!