LOADS of police just sped up Lewes Road

[Freddie Goodwin.]

I thought Xmas had come early with the amount of flashing blue lights. When the protest reached the Stiene there seemed far mor OB than unwashed.

From seeing various protests over the years and, of course, policing at football matches, I do wonder why the police cannot have fewer officers 'on show' and have the rest handy as back up.

With loads of police around it draws in other elements who may be up for a 'ruck' and so self perpetuates a crowd.

One of the main objestives of a demo is to get noticed. having tons of police and roads closed certainly gets you noticed.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

When did North Vietnam ever threaten Amerika? What harm did Iraq ever do to us? Agreed, it's not very nice that a few dinner ladies at EDO feel scared to go to work, but that don't change the fact that EDO are unwelcome in our town. Other towns maybe, but that's up to those towns and their moral conscience

Iraq was also considered a threat to American national security, with claims of weapons of mass destruction and their involvement in the training of terrorists, this was all in a climate of fear in America as a part of the aftermath of 9/11.

America feared that Saddam Hussain was involved with or aiding this attack or similar planned attacks in the future, either against America or any other western country - so they acted to try to prevent this

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The Vietnam Conflict, occurred in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia from 1959[1] to April 30, 1975. The war was fought between the communist North Vietnam, supported by its communist allies, and South Vietnam, supported by the United States and others

The cornerstone of U.S. policy was the Domino Theory. This argued that if South Vietnam fell to communist forces, then all of South East Asia would follow. Popularized by the Eisenhower Administration, some argued that if communism spread unchecked, it would follow them home by first reaching Hawaii and follow to the West Coast of the United States. It was better, therefore, to fight communism in Asia, rather than on American soil.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Iraq was also considered a threat to American national security, with claims of weapons of mass destruction and their involvement in the training of terrorists, this was all in a climate of fear in America as a part of the aftermath of 9/11.

America feared that Saddam Hussain was involved with or aiding this attack or similar planned attacks in the future, either against America or any other western country - so they acted to try to prevent this

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The Vietnam Conflict, occurred in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia from 1959[1] to April 30, 1975. The war was fought between the communist North Vietnam, supported by its communist allies, and South Vietnam, supported by the United States and others

The cornerstone of U.S. policy was the Domino Theory. This argued that if South Vietnam fell to communist forces, then all of South East Asia would follow. Popularized by the Eisenhower Administration, some argued that if communism spread unchecked, it would follow them home by first reaching Hawaii and follow to the West Coast of the United States. It was better, therefore, to fight communism in Asia, rather than on American soil.

Well cheers for the history lessons

But like I say, when did North Vietnam ever threaten Amerika? What harm did Iraq ever do to us?

 

[Brovion]

Well there was a MILLION people on the streets of London peacefully protesting against the imminent illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. Had zero impact apart from causing a million Labour voters to withhold their vote while B.Liar was in No 10. Maybe if a million people had stormed Downing Street and strung B.Liar up by his ears, it might have helped save a few hundred thousand lives. Sorry, but sometimes violent protest is legitimate.

I have absolutely no problem with violent, illegal protests. As you say the government's answer to the anti-war demo was to say: "Thanks for turning up, we hear what you're saying, now piss off." But this is different, this is fascism (and I'm using the word in its original sense) and the people who will suffer won't be the international arms traders but ordinary working people. Brighton people. And as I mentioned in my first post if this company do stop making nerve gas or landmines or whatever it is they make it won't advance the cause of World Peace one iota, production will simply shift to another country where outraged middle class sensibilities don't set the agenda.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

But this is different, this is fascism (and I'm using the word in its original sense) and the people who will suffer won't be the international arms traders but ordinary working people. Brighton people.

Maybe a parallel might be when fox-hunting was abolished. One of the pro-hunting lobby's arguments was that many ordinary working people would lose their jobs. And undoubtedly that was the case. Didn't make it wrong to abolish fox-hunting tho. IMHO, like.

 

[bullshit detector]

Iraq was also considered a threat to American national security, with claims of weapons of mass destruction and their involvement in the training of terrorists, this was all in a climate of fear in America as a part of the aftermath of 9/11.

America feared that Saddam Hussain was involved with or aiding this attack or similar planned attacks in the future, either against America or any other western country - so they acted to try to prevent this

.
The Vietnam Conflict, occurred in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia from 1959[1] to April 30, 1975. The war was fought between the communist North Vietnam, supported by its communist allies, and South Vietnam, supported by the United States and others

The cornerstone of U.S. policy was the Domino Theory. This argued that if South Vietnam fell to communist forces, then all of South East Asia would follow. Popularized by the Eisenhower Administration, some argued that if communism spread unchecked, it would follow them home by first reaching Hawaii and follow to the West Coast of the United States. It was better, therefore, to fight communism in Asia, rather than on American soil.

And if America hadn't been so obsessed with 'communism' and had left the socialist PDPA government to its own devices in the late 70s (land reform, combatting reactionary, misogynistic tribal leaders refusing to allow women to be educated, etc) instead of winding up and funding Islamic fundamentalists to attack them, cheered on by the UK government (remember Peter Snow lauding the Taliban's dads as 'freedom fighters' on News at Ten?) then the PDPA would have nipped Islamic fundamentalism in the bud, the Russians wouldn't have invaded, the war wouldn't have escalated, Islamic fundamentalism wouldn't have spread and we wouldn't be in the mess we were in today.

I am surprised at the amount of support there is on this board for a company which makes profits out of death. And no, I don't support the arms industry, and I believe defence spending should be massively reduced and channeled into combatting, for instance, the fact that UK child poverty rates are among the highest in the 'developed' world. The kind of threat that domestic terrorism poses can't be dealt with by missiles and fighter jets!

This company is involved in many different aspects of the arms industry - have a look at its website. The (unacceptable in some cases) behaviour of a minority of protestors is nothing compared to the evil and terror which companies like this perpetrate in the world. And the discipline and restraint we showed in our campaign against Archer, Bellotti and Stanley (in the face of unacceptable provocation!!) was a credit to us. Which is why I think very highly of my fellow Albion fans and am rather saddened when I read threads like this (and hence don't spend much time on NSC, I prefer to have my political arguments face to face!)

I would have thought that our experiences in the 90s would have opened more eyes to the nature of the system we live under (and the collapse of unfettered greed based capitalism proves that it doesn't even work for the people it's supposed to!) I guess I was wrong. A bit sad about that but that's not what this site is for anyway.....UP THE ALBION!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

And if America hadn't been so obsessed with 'communism' and had left the socialist PDPA government to its own devices in the late 70s (land reform, combatting reactionary, misogynistic tribal leaders refusing to allow women to be educated, etc) instead of winding up and funding Islamic fundamentalists to attack them, cheered on by the UK government (remember Peter Snow lauding the Taliban's dads as 'freedom fighters' on News at Ten?) then the PDPA would have nipped Islamic fundamentalism in the bud, the Russians wouldn't have invaded, the war wouldn't have escalated, Islamic fundamentalism wouldn't have spread and we wouldn't be in the mess we were in today.

I am surprised at the amount of support there is on this board for a company which makes profits out of death. And no, I don't support the arms industry, and I believe defence spending should be massively reduced and channeled into combatting, for instance, the fact that UK child poverty rates are among the highest in the 'developed' world. The kind of threat that domestic terrorism poses can't be dealt with by missiles and fighter jets!

This company is involved in many different aspects of the arms industry - have a look at its website. The (unacceptable in some cases) behaviour of a minority of protestors is nothing compared to the evil and terror which companies like this perpetrate in the world. And the discipline and restraint we showed in our campaign against Archer, Bellotti and Stanley (in the face of unacceptable provocation!!) was a credit to us. Which is why I think very highly of my fellow Albion fans and am rather saddened when I read threads like this (and hence don't spend much time on NSC, I prefer to have my political arguments face to face!)

I would have thought that our experiences in the 90s would have opened more eyes to the nature of the system we live under (and the collapse of unfettered greed based capitalism proves that it doesn't even work for the people it's supposed to!) I guess I was wrong. A bit sad about that but that's not what this site is for anyway.....UP THE ALBION!

Top post!

 

[Simster]

Maybe a parallel might be when fox-hunting was abolished. One of the pro-hunting lobby's arguments was that many ordinary working people would lose their jobs. And undoubtedly that was the case. Didn't make it wrong to abolish fox-hunting tho. IMHO, like.

True, but the difference between fox hunting and weapon manufacture is that - as Brovian states - those weapons will just get built in another country if they're hounded out of our country.

Conversely, if you ban fox hunting in this country, fox hunters won't just up sticks and leave. In other words, unilaterally banning fox hunting actually makes a difference.

 

[Deleted User X18H]

The traffic is backed all up the drove right to compton road this morning

 

[WATFORD zero]

The traffic is backed all up the drove right to compton road this morning

But doesn't that improve your business opportunities by making it easier for you to wash their windscreens ?

 

[Deleted User X18H]

Squeezy not me mate. Easy (life) now thats more like it.

 

[beorhthelm]

I am surprised at the amount of support there is on this board for a company which makes profits out of death. And no, I don't support the arms industry, and I believe defence spending should be massively reduced

while anyone would like to see child poverty dealt with, lets deal with the defence cost reduction first (you could argue that poverty reduction could be funded by NHS or education cuts since they are related).

if you wish to see defence spending cut, to what level? 0? if so at least you have an ideological footing. anything more than zero and you have to accept there will be some somthing and therefore some weapons and somewhere they need manufacturing. why not in Brighton where Brightonians can benefit and better themselves? and at the 0 or "drastically reduced" level, do you really wish for the UK to be an impotent country. no emergency aid in responce to famine, flood, tsunami, hurricanes, volcanos. no involvment in Sierra Leone or Bosnia. no political power on the global stage (compare to German input in international affairs where they have been sidelined for decades due to inability to deploy forces). If you wish for the UK to be an introspective country with no influence on anything, then your position is fine. otherwise you have to square all this and i dont believe you can without contradiction.

 

[Arthur]

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[Brovion]

And if America hadn't been so obsessed with 'communism' and had left the socialist PDPA government to its own devices in the late 70s (land reform, combatting reactionary, misogynistic tribal leaders refusing to allow women to be educated, etc) instead of winding up and funding Islamic fundamentalists to attack them, cheered on by the UK government (remember Peter Snow lauding the Taliban's dads as 'freedom fighters' on News at Ten?) then the PDPA would have nipped Islamic fundamentalism in the bud, the Russians wouldn't have invaded, the war wouldn't have escalated, Islamic fundamentalism wouldn't have spread and we wouldn't be in the mess we were in today.

I am surprised at the amount of support there is on this board for a company which makes profits out of death. And no, I don't support the arms industry, and I believe defence spending should be massively reduced and channeled into combatting, for instance, the fact that UK child poverty rates are among the highest in the 'developed' world. The kind of threat that domestic terrorism poses can't be dealt with by missiles and fighter jets!

This company is involved in many different aspects of the arms industry - have a look at its website. The (unacceptable in some cases) behaviour of a minority of protestors is nothing compared to the evil and terror which companies like this perpetrate in the world. And the discipline and restraint we showed in our campaign against Archer, Bellotti and Stanley (in the face of unacceptable provocation!!) was a credit to us. Which is why I think very highly of my fellow Albion fans and am rather saddened when I read threads like this (and hence don't spend much time on NSC, I prefer to have my political arguments face to face!)

I would have thought that our experiences in the 90s would have opened more eyes to the nature of the system we live under (and the collapse of unfettered greed based capitalism proves that it doesn't even work for the people it's supposed to!) I guess I was wrong. A bit sad about that but that's not what this site is for anyway.....UP THE ALBION!

I have absolutely no problem with your first and last paragraphs, in fact I agree with you 100% (except perhaps about the purpose of NSC!). I haven't a clue what the company makes so I'll accept your third paragraph about the pivotal role they play in the arms trade. Maybe their sales people demonstrate how effective their products are by killing thousands of locals to impress some warlord, dunno.

I take issue (a bit) with your second paragraph that reducing defence spending could somehow combat child poverty. Well yes maybe it could, or maybe it could increase it as the defence workers lose their jobs. It's not really the same argument the same as saying that the SEEDA money we're getting towards the Falmer development could be better spent on the Health Service.

But neither you or THPP can answer the basic question - what good will these protests do? Even if you get the factory closed down do you really think that it will make one iota of difference to World Peace? Other companies can and will fill the gap. If you're protesting because you think you should be 'doing something' then there are loads more effective things you could be doing, raising money for Greenpeace or Medicins Sans Frontiers for example. (I mention those two because that's what I've done).

 

[Notters]

Iraq was also considered a threat to American national security, with claims of weapons of mass destruction and their involvement in the training of terrorists, this was all in a climate of fear in America as a part of the aftermath of 9/11.
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Hello guy , ready for your big day?

 

[REDLAND]

scary