[Politics] Liz Truss **RESIGNS 20/10/2022**

[WATFORD zero]

But what happens to us all during that decade with the other lot in power?

Unfortunately at 58 and a bit of a cynic it’s almost a choice between sickness or the s****?

Sorry Lenny, but despite being told numerous times not to vote to go up the creek and definitely don't vote to throw away your paddle over the last few years, here we are

What's your suggestion

 

[rogersix]

Until the opposition come up with something better.

in all seriousness, in reality, how could this be worse than it is right now?

of the controlable factors, this government IS the main problem for the economy

 

[beorhthelm]

Without wishing to turn this into a Brexit thread, keeping the UK in the customs union and the single market would not of united the country - it would have served the wants of people who didn't want Brexit. And therein lies the challenge on that particular subject - there really isn't a middle ground - regardless of which side of the argument you sit on.

i think there is a middle ground, just we dont talk about it like grown ups talking about positives and negatives, to explore where that might be. leave it half a generation maybe a mature conversation and a new form of union will emerge.

 

[rogersix]

This is derailing the thread as discussion of MMT is forbidden

are you six?

have you still not worked out how to start your own thread?

 

[beorhthelm]

you're ok voting for the tory magic money tree?

er no, their economic policy is a mess. a decade of reliance on borrowing has predictably lead to high inflation. see also Labour policy and other major western nations. no one wants cuts, no one wants taxes either. something different needs to be done.

 

[rogersix]

It's NOBODY'S surprise actually, but yes, you're right about that - I certainly wasn't surprised. Probably the only people not surprised are the blue rinse Tory supporters who voted against having a person of colour as PM.

boris must have been suprized the party actually found someone more incompetent than him!

 

[rogersix]

Before I wade into this thread can someone instruct me what I can and can't talk about please? I notice hundreds of other threads are perfectly happy to wander off topic without so much as a sniff from a moderator but this one has special economic and political rules apparently So I don't want to offend any of the self appointed experts...

you're fine, it's just some spotty faced student with no real world knowledge talking nonsense about a subject he knows very little about

 

[rogersix]

I think @Steve Foster is the only person who still believes in the mini-budget. He spoke about it in such glowing terms as well. I don’t know what he does for a living but I sincerely hope he doesn’t give financial advice

he certainly does have a unique insight in this field!

 

[KZNSeagull]

in all seriousness, in reality, how could this be worse than it is right now?

of the controlable factors, this government IS the main problem for the economy

One would hope that it could not be worse, but as we have no idea what the opposition would do to fix things we cannot make an informed decision at the moment. Labour's national energy company idea shows promise but there are many questions around Ed Milliband's energy policy that will need resolving. Other than that, they have not said much other than windfall taxes.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Never thought I would say it about Hunt but at least we have a grown up in the room, listening to him this morning. But he is basically saying what Sunak was saying in the leadership campaign so how can she justify any of this? Everything she sneered and gurned at is what her new Chancellor is saying.

 

[GT49er]

Disagree. The problem, as always, is Brexit. Their 2019 80 seat election win was to make Brexit happen come hell or high water. The decent princinpled Conservatives sit in the shadows, they are only left with the very few chancers, shapeshifters and loons.

If they wanted to admit they were wrong about Brexit and need to go back to true centre right conservatives, unite the party then they need a public mandate, a general election. No one calls a snap election if they know they will get smashed.

Theresa May called a snap election because she needed a bigger majority to push her brexit deal through parliament

Actually Labour, especially Corbyn, were spot on about resolving the Brexit deadlock. A 2nd referendum and a deal which kept us in the customs union and single market. He said you can't serve half the electorate's wants and ignore the other half, you have to find a solution that works for everyone and unite the country, and they would have "actually" got brexit done

Excuse me, but where in the Brexit referendum was it stipulated that we should have the worst (and hopefuly shortest term serving) Prime Minister in history and a mad Chancellor whose only thought was to cut taxes, regardless of the fact that Covid had cost the country countless £billions, the fuel crisis due to the Ukraine war costing more £billions, the NHS running out of money, social care already run out of money, the police unable to afford officers on the beat or to properly investigate most burglaries and public transport cuts left right and centre because they can't afford to run them?
A mad Chancellor whose answer to all that was to cut taxes. And where was he going to find the money? Oh, err, well we'll borrow it! Insanity - and nothing to do with Brexit. Nor was it anywhere in the Brexit manifesto, not even the small print.
We all knew that with Brexit there would be some financial bumps in the road - and the Johnson government, for all the personal faults of it's leader, with Sunak in charge of the economy was doing a decent job of dealing with them. Blind hatred of Brexit clouded many people's view, but in many ways Sunak was the most socialist (and the best) Chancellor we've had in decades.
The red wedge that switched sides to protect Brexit didn't vote for tax cuts, especially tax cuts for the rich, any more than a vote for Brexit was a vote for Covid or a vote for a war in Ukraine - or for that matter a vote for Potter jumping ship and joining Chelsea.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Never thought I would say it about Hunt but at least we have a grown up in the room, listening to him this morning. But he is basically saying what Sunak was saying in the leadership campaign so how can she justify any of this? Everything she sneered and gurned at is what her new Chancellor is saying.

Isn't Hunt part of the anti growth coaltion?

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Isn't Hunt part of the anti growth coaltion?

No - he is part of the anti coalition growth. Splitter!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Without wishing to turn this into a Brexit thread, keeping the UK in the customs union and the single market would not of united the country - it would have served the wants of people who didn't want Brexit. And therein lies the challenge on that particular subject - there really isn't a middle ground - regardless of which side of the argument you sit on.

Because of all the deceit and lies of the press and politicians, people forget Britain joined EFTA in 1960. long before we took the next step. That now would consist of the Single Market and Customs Union.
Most people that wanted out, wanted to break the political ties, not the trading agreements.

 

[rogersix]

But what happens to us all during that decade with the other lot in power?

Unfortunately at 58 and a bit of a cynic it’s almost a choice between sickness or the s****?

we shall have to find a crumb of comfort in the fact that we know, "it definitely can't get any worse than this"

we have all voted for these incompetents and ne'er do wells from cameron onwards, and now here are the consequnces

 

[Lenny Rider]

Sorry Lenny, but despite being told numerous times not to vote to go up the creek and definitely don't vote to throw away your paddle over the last few years, here we are

What's your suggestion

That’s a really good question Watford, I’m pleased that’s whilst Harty Junior puts his efforts into funeral directing and supporting the Albion, Amy has been politically active, card carrying Labour member, since the age of 16.

Clearly our political views differ and it makes for many a heated debate, she’s passionate about what she thinks Starmer and Rayner can do for this country, but haven’t we been here before?

The Thursday night/Friday morning before Hereford, I sat up watching the election night coverage, I was 32 years old, two small kids, 40 grand mortgage, employed in a stable job, I looked at Tony Blair and thought I saw someone who could change mine and my families life for the better but equally as important also for the less fortunate in society.

But did he?

25 years on, he feathered his own nest and that of his family and cronies, he’s arguably caused the needless deaths of young servicemen and servicewomen in an alleged illegal war.

”Meet the new boss, same as the old boss” ? So in answer to your question I actually don’t know the answer but Amy clearly thinks she does.

 

[Eric the meek]

Never thought I would say it about Hunt but at least we have a grown up in the room, listening to him this morning. But he is basically saying what Sunak was saying in the leadership campaign so how can she justify any of this? Everything she sneered and gurned at is what her new Chancellor is saying.

Agreed. I thought he came across well, and made the right noises, including actually answering all the questions put to him, and detailing the mistakes that Kwarteng had made.

But he also gave us a glimpse into the future. We can expect tough decisions, some tax rises, some tax cuts not as large as people had hoped, efficiency savings across all govt departments, no guarantee that benefits will rise with inflation, no guarantee of keeping to the pledge of defence spending to rise to 3% of GDP. And he's only been in office a few hours. This gives us a sense of the scale of what is coming.

I can't believe he was Truss's choice. I think she's been bypassed. Circumvented. Andrew Marr says she's gone next week.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Excuse me, but where in the Brexit referendum was it stipulated that we should have the worst (and hopefuly shortest term serving) Prime Minister in history and a mad Chancellor whose only thought was to cut taxes, regardless of the fact that Covid had cost the country countless £billions, the fuel crisis due to the Ukraine war costing more £billions, the NHS running out of money, social care already run out of money, the police unable to afford officers on the beat or to properly investigate most burglaries and public transport cuts left right and centre because they can't afford to run them?
A mad Chancellor whose answer to all that was to cut taxes. And where was he going to find the money? Oh, err, well we'll borrow it! Insanity - and nothing to do with Brexit. Nor was it anywhere in the Brexit manifesto, not even the small print.
We all knew that with Brexit there would be some financial bumps in the road - and the Johnson government, for all the personal faults of it's leader, with Sunak in charge of the economy was doing a decent job of dealing with them. Blind hatred of Brexit clouded many people's view, but in many ways Sunak was the most socialist (and the best) Chancellor we've had in decades.
The red wedge that switched sides to protect Brexit didn't vote for tax cuts, especially tax cuts for the rich, any more than a vote for Brexit was a vote for Covid or a vote for a war in Ukraine - or for that matter a vote for Potter jumping ship and joining Chelsea.

Then I would respectfully suggest that when they voted for a Johnson led Government they didn't understand what they were voting for

And Covid hasn't cost 'countless billions'. The OBR says it has cost 2% of GDP, half the 4% cost of Brexit.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Excuse me, but where in the Brexit referendum was it stipulated that we should have the worst (and hopefuly shortest term serving) Prime Minister in history and a mad Chancellor whose only thought was to cut taxes, regardless of the fact that Covid had cost the country countless £billions, the fuel crisis due to the Ukraine war costing more £billions, the NHS running out of money, social care already run out of money, the police unable to afford officers on the beat or to properly investigate most burglaries and public transport cuts left right and centre because they can't afford to run them?
A mad Chancellor whose answer to all that was to cut taxes. And where was he going to find the money? Oh, err, well we'll borrow it! Insanity - and nothing to do with Brexit. Nor was it anywhere in the Brexit manifesto, not even the small print.
We all knew that with Brexit there would be some financial bumps in the road - and the Johnson government, for all the personal faults of it's leader, with Sunak in charge of the economy was doing a decent job of dealing with them. Blind hatred of Brexit clouded many people's view, but in many ways Sunak was the most socialist (and the best) Chancellor we've had in decades.
The red wedge that switched sides to protect Brexit didn't vote for tax cuts, especially tax cuts for the rich, any more than a vote for Brexit was a vote for Covid or a vote for a war in Ukraine - or for that matter a vote for Potter jumping ship and joining Chelsea.

These are the policies of many hard line Brexiteers. Baker, Chope and many of the new cabinet. Although what I will grant you is that Truss was a Remainer and Sunak a Leaver so lines were certainly blurred. Which is why the Tories are in such a mess. Post Brexit they’re even more divided

 

[WATFORD zero]

That’s a really good question Watford, I’m pleased that’s whilst Harty Junior puts his efforts into funeral directing and supporting the Albion, Amy has been politically active, card carrying Labour member, since the age of 16.

Clearly our political views differ and it makes for many a heated debate, she’s passionate about what she thinks Starmer and Rayner can do for this country, but haven’t we been here before?

The Thursday night/Friday morning before Hereford, I sat up watching the election night coverage, I was 32 years old, two small kids, 40 grand mortgage, employed in a stable job, I looked at Tony Blair and thought I saw someone who could change mine and my families life for the better but equally as important also for the less fortunate in society.

But did he?

25 years on, he feathered his own nest and that of his family and cronies, he’s arguably caused the needless deaths of young servicemen and servicewomen in an alleged illegal war.

”Meet the new boss, same as the old boss” ? So in answer to your question I actually don’t know the answer but Amy clearly thinks she does.

Similar age, kids, mortgage etc, I thought Blair did a good job and thank God Brown was in charge for the credit crisis. Whether he was any good as a Prime Minister, he understood economics, and was extremely intelligent and powerful in his actions during that crisis. Could you imagine Kwarteng or Sunak in that position

Since then we have had Cameron, who thought a referendum would fix the splits in the Tory party even if it tore the country apart , Johnson who would deliver a Brexit good deal but has actually delivered an economic disaster that is heading for a Trade war less than two years later and Truss (beyond emojis). So no, I've never seen anything like it before.

But it's her world now Lenny, she can't do any worse than us, genuinely. I do some work with 'young adults' and I think the world will be much safer in their hands