Lib/Lab Partnership

[public school boy]

Taking into consideration what was said about who ever forms the next British gouvernment is likely to be out of power for a whole generation after the next election, would it not be better for The Conservatives to let A Lib /Lab alliance run the country?

 

[Simster]

What is best for the country though? A Con/Lib pact and electoral reform is the OBVIOUS answer.

 

[tedebear]

Conservative / Lib Dem is the way forward - the swings against Labour have shown that...

 

[London Calling]

As at 10.06 am 7/5/10 the Conservatives have won only 36.1% of the vote, the largest proportion of the vote but not an automatic mandate torun this country.

Basically 64% or nearly two-thirds of the voting have not voted Tory.

Where the Tories are different from the Labour, LIberals. Is that the Tories represent the right (Conservative) element of British Politics. THis election has again shown that the BNP, UKIP are real minnows.

Againgst the Conservatives, the electorate have voted for parties that are overwhelmingly are centre left.

32.4% of the electorate have voted for Socialist Parties in this election (Labour. SNP. PC, Greens, SF etc).

So the UK really is split.

The Lim DEms entered thgis election with what was a left of centre principles. The £10,000 tax threshold, was pure wealth distribution, a cut in our nuclear "deterent. This was the closest manisfesto, to Labour's 83 manisfesto, there has ever been.

My view is that there is enough of the electorate have voted for a left of centre party that a progressive Government coalition can be formed - just.


Since the 80's I have always supported PR as - in my opionon - the Conservatives destroyed the social fabric of our country, againgst the majority opioion of our electorate.

PR will end the chance of Labour ever solely running the Country on their own, but then if you only get 40% + of the vote should you really get a landslide parliament.

THe Libs will obvioulsy gain.

But how do we really know what the electorate real voting inentions are. During the nigt I saw enough seats, where the labour voteby x % and a equivalent % went to the LIbs to keep the Tories out. And vice versa. Across SCotland and Wales andthe north East it was clear, the biggest swing was generally to the Tories in very safe Labour seats, in marginals, people voted tactically again.

There must be an end to this.

To rule the UK on your own, a party must get 50.1% of the vote., Otherwise let the coalitions form and lets get parties really representing the wide views of the electorate.

Yours LC and I am happy to be back.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

LIB-LAB pact will mean another election very soon, I would think, by which time Labour will have installed a new leader, and be far better placed, to wipe the smug grin off Dave's chubby 'smack-me' face.

In that second election an increased labour share, would probably still need a pact with the LibDems to govern, but would be much stronger / more stable.

IMO, like.

 

[coventrygull]

A lib/lab pact?

 

[London Calling]

What is best for the country though? A Con/Lib pact and electoral reform is the OBVIOUS answer.

Disagree mate, most people in the inner city areas voted for the LIberals because of their radical left wing agenda, on taxation, defence, immigration.

In fact our local liberal candidate, told me, they were the real social democrats in Hackney.

If Clegg, forms a pact, it will be againgst the ideals of his voters and I know Ms LC for onewill feel deeply betrayed.

LC

 

[coventrygull]

So its true the liberals are reds in sheeps clothing.

 

[Simster]

Disagree mate, most people in the inner city areas voted for the LIberals because of their radical left wing agenda, on taxation, defence, immigration.

In fact our local liberal candidate, told me, they were the real social democrats in Hackney.

If Clegg, forms a pact, it will be againgst the ideals of his voters and I know Ms LC for onewill feel deeply betrayed.

LC

I voted Lib Dem and don't sit comfortably with it either, but the simple fact is that electoral reform needs to be delivered, and the two bigger parties will only do it if they are bullied into it. And Lab/Lib doesn't command a majority to make this happen.

 

[nwgull]

Lib or Lab votes can usually be grouped as an anti Tory vote, I think most lib voters
would be unhappy to see their vote supporting a Tory government.

 

[Sheebo]

LIB-LAB pact will mean another election very soon, I would think, by which time Labour will have installed a new leader, and be far better placed, to wipe the smug grin off Dave's chubby 'smack-me' face.

In that second election an increased labour share, would probably still need a pact with the LibDems to govern, but would be much stronger / more stable.

IMO, like.

Yep - ANYONE but the wanking TORY's

 

[Simster]

Come off it. How is Lib/Lab going to work? Not only are they TWO separate parties, but they don't have a majority *between them*.

 

[London Calling]

I voted Lib Dem and don't sit comfortably with it either, but the simple fact is that electoral reform needs to be delivered, and the two bigger parties will only do it if they are bullied into it. And Lab/Lib doesn't command a majority to make this happen.

Lets not forget, Wales, London, Ireland and Scotland have PR for their elections. So 16m people regularly use the system, the parties (except Tories) in these areas will automatically welcome, joining together to introduce PR for the Home Counties!

Coalitions work well in all of these areas. Personally, Brown, Clegg will also get the people backing if they are willing to creat a real Government representing people wishes, so my offerings are:

Vince Cambell = Chancellor of Exchequer, with an offering to the Conservatives for Senior members also to run key departments such as Home Office - immigration
Caroline Lucas the mandate for the Environment
A SNP to run the Scottish Office and a Plaid Cymru for the Welsh Office.

 

[sten_super]

Cleggy has stuck to his guns then and announced that he feels that the party with the most votes and seats - the Tories - should have first dibs at forming a government. Good man.

 

[beorhthelm]

Disagree mate, most people in the inner city areas voted for the LIberals because of their radical left wing agenda, on taxation, defence, immigration.

taxation and defence isnt that radical, just different. i cant see the Conservatives refusing to agree to £10k threashold, effectively a tax cut, can you? defence can be negotiated to a middle ground of defence review *including* nuclear deterent. Immigration policy of Liberals is actually shared by Boris of all people, though i think its not a deal breaker for the Liberals to drop (not very popular one either). the biggy is electoral reform, theres a smell of inevitability about that and better to approach that on your terms than the others (it will take more seats from Labour thn Tory).

the real question is could Clegg bring onboard the left of the party like Hughes, not wether he can do a deal with Cameron. He has already stated he cant work with Brown, so how will that work Brown resigns and Harman takes over as PM? but really, as soon as Brown resigns, the baton should pass to the largest party.

 

[nwgull]

Cleggy has stuck to his guns then and announced that he feels that the party with the most votes and seats - the Tories - should have first dibs at forming a government. Good man.

This will almost certainly be on the condition of a referendum on electoral reform, when he doesn't get this he'll go to Gordon.

 

[London Calling]

taxation and defence isnt that radical, just different. i cant see the Conservatives refusing to agree to £10k threashold, effectively a tax cut, can you? defence can be negotiated to a middle ground of defence review *including* nuclear deterent. Immigration policy of Liberals is actually shared by Boris of all people, though i think its not a deal breaker for the Liberals to drop (not very popular one either). the biggy is electoral reform, theres a smell of inevitability about that and better to approach that on your terms than the others (it will take more seats from Labour thn Tory).

the real question is could Clegg bring onboard the left of the party like Hughes, not wether he can do a deal with Cameron. He has already stated he cant work with Brown, so how will that work Brown resigns and Harman takes over as PM? but really, as soon as Brown resigns, the baton should pass to the largest party.

That's why, I reckon Brown will be gone within a month.

Part of the LIb negotions with Labour will be PR and no Brown.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Cleggy has stuck to his guns then and announced that he feels that the party with the most votes and seats - the Tories - should have first dibs at forming a government. Good man.

At least he has stuck to what he said before the Election.

I just cannot see the Tories giving up the FPTP system.

 

[London Calling]

taxation and defence isnt that radical, just different. i cant see the Conservatives refusing to agree to £10k threashold, effectively a tax cut, can you? defence can be negotiated to a middle ground of defence review *including* nuclear deterent. Immigration policy of Liberals is actually shared by Boris of all people, though i think its not a deal breaker for the Liberals to drop (not very popular one either). the biggy is electoral reform, theres a smell of inevitability about that and better to approach that on your terms than the others (it will take more seats from Labour thn Tory).

the real question is could Clegg bring onboard the left of the party like Hughes, not wether he can do a deal with Cameron. He has already stated he cant work with Brown, so how will that work Brown resigns and Harman takes over as PM? but really, as soon as Brown resigns, the baton should pass to the largest party.

10,000 k radical enough forthe other parties not to have adopted it, I always reckoned, the Tories was going to hit us with more VAT within months, to take us into line with Europe. How can Clegg really agree with Trident, the Conservatives would certainly say no.

But as you say, if the Defence REview started immediately, it could buy time for everyone.

 

[sten_super]

At least he has stuck to what he said before the Election.

I just cannot see the Tories giving up the FPTP system.

Oh yes I agree. However he doesn't look keen on being seen as the man who allows the 'loser' to stay in power. I suspect that we'll see a Tory minority government, with the Lib Dems supporting them as and when it suits, in exchange for some minor concessions but NOT electoral reform.