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Jim in the West

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Sep 13, 2003
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For what it's worth, here's my letter to Lib Dem councillors at LDC. Similar letter, with some small alterations near the end, going to all other councillors:

Dear ,

A short story about dreams and planning permission

I apologise for the peculiar title above. I’m afraid to be honest this is another letter about Falmer, but not (I hope) one that is immediately consigned to the bin.

When I was growing up in Burgess Hill, over 30 years ago, I dreamed of being a professional footballer. Pretty much every other week I’d jump on the train at Burgess Hill station, headed for Hove, from where I’d make the short walk to the Goldstone Ground to watch my heroes of Brighton & Hove Albion. The football wasn’t always great, but the experience was fantastic. Many years later, I am still a fan (indeed, although I live over a hundred miles from Brighton, I’m still a season ticket holder). Unfortunately the club has been through some very tough times – you will I’m sure be aware of the scandalous deeds of the previous owners, which resulted in the Goldstone Ground being sold, and the club being forced to play “home” games in Gillingham. Although the club is now back in Brighton, the facilities are poor, and it’s much more difficult for young lads (and girls) to just jump on the train and go to watch their heroes. For many kids the dream of playing football for a living is something they can’t now connect with.

However, Brighton & Hove Albion is nothing if not resourceful. For many years now, recognizing that the future of professional football in Sussex rests with the young people of the county, the club has developed the most wonderful youth system. Under the guidance of people like Martin Hinshelwood and Dean Wilkins, an increasing number of young players born or brought up in Sussex are making their way into the first team. Last season two such examples (Adam Virgo and Dan Harding) were sold for combined transfer fees in excess of £2m – sad in one way, but testament (a) to the success of the club’s youth policy, and (b) to the financial realities of fighting for a new ground. In addition to bringing local players through it’s successful youth policy, good players from other Sussex teams can find a route to professional football – recent examples include Albert Jarrett (who was on trial at Lewes), and Doug Loft (signed from Hastings last month).

Fortunately, more and more local people are becoming aware of the club’s youth policy. A couple of weeks ago I had the good fortune to watch Brighton & Hove Albion Under-18s beat Chelsea U-18s in the FA Youth Cup. This was a fantastic achievement – a team comprising entirely of players born or brought up in Sussex defeating the cream of young talent from the world’s richest club. But for me, the best thing about that night was that somewhere between 3,000 – 4,000 people turned up at Withdean on a pretty cold night. Looking around me, it was great to see large groups of children (boys AND girls), with their parents (yes – many mothers!). It was also great to listen to the conversation around me – dads doing their best to explain tactics to their kids, mums chatting with each other, and enjoying the game.

However, despite all that is good about this – despite all the positive work the club does in the community (the half term training camps for kids all over Sussex in the next few weeks is just a minute example), the club is still fighting for a permanent home. Without this, quite simply, the club cannot continue. There will be no more professional football in Sussex. The dreams of thousands of youngsters will die, and the enjoyment which the club brings to tens of thousands of people throughout the county (and beyond) will be no more.

As you know, the club has been seeking planning permission to build a new ground adjacent to the University buildings at Falmer. Although planning permission was finally granted in October last year, Lewes District Council has decided to seek a Judicial Review of that decision. On the face of it, there would seem to be some validity to this challenge. However, dig just a little deeper and the decision seems perverse, to say the least. I really don’t want to waste your time and mine rehearsing the many arguments for and against Falmer – the Public Inquiry did that. What I really want to do is simply to appeal to the sanity of Lewes District Council, and ask for a reconsideration of the decision. Although I’m clearly not a council tax payer in the Lewes area, I DO keep in contact with local issues, and there are quite obviously some major funding priorities surely with greater claim on local funds than a further very costly legal battle over Falmer.

The site is, after all, on the very periphery of Lewes District (indeed, the stadium itself is within Brighton & Hove, not Lewes). The land which the stadium will occupy has been the subject of intensive agriculture for many years, and is hardly a “green field” site. It is adjacent to some rather ugly university buildings and the busy A27 dual carriageway – but fortunately (for public transport access), is also right next to a station.

LDC has decided to commit no more than £25,000 to the Judicial Review. Unfortunately, having started the process, there is no way that LDC can effectively cap it’s exposure to this figure. LDC has named Brighton & Hove Albion as a defendant in the Judicial Review, but somewhat bizarrely Councillor de Vecchi has stated that the club does not need to defend itself! The club has estimated it’s legal costs at around £90,000. The ODPM’s costs will presumably be greater. Total legal costs could easily, therefore, be in the region of a quarter of a million pounds. All of which will need to be met by Lewes District Council if the Judicial Review does not succeed. Some funding has been offered by Falmer Parish Council, but to date I understand that Falmer has been unable to raise the £30,000 it has committed. If the process reaches it’s natural conclusion, I can imagine that many will be nervously awaiting the outcome….not just the football club and LDC, but in particular the council tax payers of Lewes, Newhaven, Seaford, and the surrounding areas.

If the worst (from my perspective) DOES occur, and the Judicial Review is successful, and the further inevitable delays force the club out of existence, there will no doubt be several cheers from a small minority of Falmer residents. But what about the rest of Sussex? The dreams of so many young and budding sportsmen and women will be no more. The joy I saw on those faces at Withdean a few weeks ago as they watched Brighton & Hove Albion’s youth team beating Chelsea – how will that be replaced? A barren field next to some rather ugly university buildings will have been “spared” – but at what cost?

You may wonder what gives me, a resident of Somerset, the right to ramble on at length to local politicians 100 miles from where I live. Well, apart from the obvious issue of my support for Brighton & Hove Albion, I’m a Liberal Democrat voter, and I’ve been dismayed by the stance which LDC has taken over Falmer – it’s bad for the residents of Sussex, and bad for the party. At a time like this, when the LibDems appear to have become a bit of a laughing stock, it’s essential the party does all it can to restore it’s credibility.

I know this letter has rambled on a bit, and if you’re still reading – THANKYOU! My last words are simply these – please take time to think about the path that Lewes District Council is taking. It isn’t too late to reconsider. By accepting the result of the Public Inquiry the councillors would be doing an immense service to the future of sport throughout Sussex, almost certainly saving the council tax payers of Lewes a great deal of money, and saying quite clearly to the people of Sussex and beyond – Yes, we DO listen to the people, and we ARE prepared to be pragmatic for the greater good of ALL. Thousands of youngsters throughout the county can then carry on dreaming!
 










DIFFBROOK

Really Up the Junction
Feb 3, 2005
2,267
Yorkshire
Jim, thats a very well written letter and I share many of its sentiments. However, trying to change the minds of some deluded twits simply wont work. They have a mind set that wont be changed. I do personally feel that there agenda is to kill the Albion. I dont believe that it is soley about Falmer either. It wouldn't suprise me at all if in some small way this all ties back to our campaign against Belotti, which incidently must have harmed the Libs Dems in or around that area. So some spite is involved.

I really do not know what the answer is. I just feel that if you try to change the mind of businessmen then you hurt the business. With Politicians it is too hurt them politically. To make them see that if they carry on with their delusions, them ultimately the price they pay is to be booted out of office.

To be honest, I think we should be speaking with the local Tories in an effort to win their support (thereby driving a wedge between this gross local set up). Maybe we should even offer our support to the Tories i.e legs pounding the street issuing leaflets in support of their candidate in order that Anne de Vechi and Norman Baker know that they may well have a fight on their hands to keep their seats. Yes I know that the elections are not for a few years yet, but the threat needs to be made.

We are at war with this party...........locally at least.
 




JJ McClure

Go Jags
Jul 7, 2003
11,114
Hassocks
Great letter Jim.

However here's the problem

Jim in the West said:
..... What I really want to do is simply to appeal to the sanity of Lewes District Council, and ask for a reconsideration of the decision.....

I'm just not sure that appealing to the sanity of a bunch deluded, self-serving, ignorant, shitferbrains buffoons is going to work.
 


Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,098
Lancing
Thats a fantastic letter but I am afraid it will have been thrown in the bin before the end of the 2nd paragraph.

Don't get mad get even.
 






Uncle Spielberg

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Jul 6, 2003
43,098
Lancing
As said before I am now more and more convinced LDC and Norman Baker's agenda is to kill off BHAFC.

If the worst happens and they achieve their aims it will make the bashlash against Archer and Belotti look like a garden tea party.
They need to be aware of this.
 


Jim in the West

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Sep 13, 2003
4,957
Way out West
DIFFBROOK said:
Jim, thats a very well written letter and I share many of its sentiments. However, trying to change the minds of some deluded twits simply wont work. They have a mind set that wont be changed. I do personally feel that there agenda is to kill the Albion. I dont believe that it is soley about Falmer either. It wouldn't suprise me at all if in some small way this all ties back to our campaign against Belotti, which incidently must have harmed the Libs Dems in or around that area. So some spite is involved.

I really do not know what the answer is. I just feel that if you try to change the mind of businessmen then you hurt the business. With Politicians it is too hurt them politically. To make them see that if they carry on with their delusions, them ultimately the price they pay is to be booted out of office.

To be honest, I think we should be speaking with the local Tories in an effort to win their support (thereby driving a wedge between this gross local set up). Maybe we should even offer our support to the Tories i.e legs pounding the street issuing leaflets in support of their candidate in order that Anne de Vechi and Norman Baker know that they may well have a fight on their hands to keep their seats. Yes I know that the elections are not for a few years yet, but the threat needs to be made.

We are at war with this party...........locally at least.

I agree with pretty much all the above. I'm not pretending this will do the slightest good. However, I do actually believe you CAN influence people if you do it correctly. My day job is working for Bristol Airport. Our local planning authority is North Somerset Council. You can imagine what the local Lib Dems think of a dirty, smelly, noisy airport! However, we've gradually won over a number of councillors who, three years or so ago, were very firmly anti-airport. We've concentrated on how the airport can play a role in attracting businesses to North Somerset (Weston super Mare is just down the road, and actually a pretty run down, deprived place). The point of my letter is to concentrate on how Falmer is the key to the dreams of thousands of kids, throughout Sussex. It's a long shot, and it's obviously an issue which the club and others have concentrated on in the past.

On the issue of hurting the Lib Dems politically, I think this CAN be done - there are local elections in Crawley, Eastbourne, and a few other places in Sussex this May, and I think we can and should try to get the Tories there to use Lewes District Council as an example of the mess that a Lib Dem council can make. If anyone on NSC lives in those areas, then they have an excellent opportunity to raise this message with their local Tory candidate (or Labour in Crawley....not that the Lib Dems have much chance there, anyway).

And I agree, we should court the Tories in Lewes - my letter to the Tory and Independent councillors has a slightly different final two paragraphs.
 


Westdene Seagull

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Oct 27, 2003
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Great letter but I'm also of the opinion that the only way to deal with this now is on their level - dirty and hard hitting.

We need to become a political force to hit them where it hurts.

I know funding of NSC has been done to death but I can't remember if it is now fully selffunding now or not. If all the adverts bring in excess income over and above what is required to run NSC then maybe a fighting fund can be started. Possibly to use as deposits to put candidates up or maybe only to fund leaflet campaigns during elections.
 




DIFFBROOK

Really Up the Junction
Feb 3, 2005
2,267
Yorkshire
Maybe we seeing the same thing here. I dont believe that an Albion party would win any seats and I think Lewes Lib Dems know this, which dilutes our threat.

But I firmly believe that if we court the local Lewes Tory party, explain our stance and win them over then we might have a chance. For the Tories to regain power nationally, then they must be looking to win council and parliamentary seats in and around Lewes. Now if they back us in our fight for Falmer, we could mobilise ourselves to a) discredit Lib Dems everywhere in and around Lewes or even Sussesx) and b) support parties whoever stand the better chance of ousting or stoppping a lib dem. Support by any means, leafletting, canvassing etc. Obviously this would need to be targetted (i.e no use where the lib dems stand no chance of power).

Now if we could get this right, the pressure on Lewes lib dems/Norman Baker would be immense from national lib dem HQ and from other sussex lib dems.

Maybe the threat of this, writing to Lib Dem HQ for instance may just sway things.


Believe me, this lot are just as mad and dangerous as Archer and Bellotti. Remember Norman Baker did say (although he now denies it) that he would rather die than see the Albion at Falmer.

THEY ARE INTENT ON KILLING THE CLUB THAT WE LOVE. WE MUST MAKE SURE THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN
 


ozzygull

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2003
4,176
Reading
I am so angry over all this and want to do some thing but most things I can think of are not lawfull, so I won't be doing any of them. I just want to get at them. :angry:
 


The Oldman

I like the Hat
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Jul 12, 2003
7,160
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DIFFBROOK said:
Jim, thats a very well written letter and I share many of its sentiments. However, trying to change the minds of some deluded twits simply wont work. They have a mind set that wont be changed. I do personally feel that there agenda is to kill the Albion. I dont believe that it is soley about Falmer either. It wouldn't suprise me at all if in some small way this all ties back to our campaign against Belotti, which incidently must have harmed the Libs Dems in or around that area. So some spite is involved.

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I think you are spot on. This is pay back time from the Lewes/Eastbourne Lib dems who will never forgive us for hounding out Belotti.

Also can I repeat again Falmer is not the big issue in the Lewes area. The proposed Incinerator at Newhaven is. The Lib Dems are opposed to that and they have the popular support with them. Walk around Newhaven/Seaford/Lewes and everywhere it's anti incinerator posters and every weekend petitions being signed etc. Yey by comparison only a handful of anti Lewes DC posters re Falmer. So the LDC councillors are riding on a crest of public support.

If the incinerator gets turned down either at an inquiry or by Prescott (Oh the irony) LDC will be public heroes.

Our only hope is the Judicial review and Prescott sticking to his guns.
 




Jim in the West

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DIFFBROOK said:

Now if we could get this right, the pressure on Lewes lib dems/Norman Baker would be immense from national lib dem HQ and from other sussex lib dems.

OK - so Eastbourne is perhaps the place to start - ironically - Eastbourne is a marginal Tory council (14 tories, 13 lib dems). Worthing is another place to look at - mainly Tory, but a good spread of Lib Dems. I'm sure many on here know an awful lot more about the local political scene - but my guess is that a concerted campaign in Eastbourne & Worthing to raise the profile of what Lewes District Council is doing could be very beneficial. I know we're all suffering from campaign fatigue, but we perhaps have a window of opportunity here, with Local Elections in both Eastbourne and Worthing this May. I'm assuming the candidates are already announced? It may therefore be worthwhile finding out the all the Tories' stance on Falmer.
 


Jim in the West

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Remember - the Tory candidate for Lwes at the 2005 General Election was pro-Falmer:

MP's battle lines drawn over Falmer
by Adam Trimingham



A Conservative who aims to unseat MP Norman Baker has backed Brighton and Hove Albion's plans for Falmer.

Rory Love said the proposed community stadium would not cause chaos but would provide jobs and benefits for many people in the Lewes area.

Mr Baker's outspoken opposition to the plans has angered many Albion fans and Mr Love, the Tories' prospective parliamentary candidate for Lewes, is hoping to overturn the Liberal Democrat MP's majority of almost 10,000.

Mr Love, 44, said: "I know it's going to be extremely controversial to begin with.

"When there's a major development such as a 22,000-seat stadium just a few hundred yards from a pretty idyllic village around a duckpond, people are obviously going to be hugely concerned.

"I fully understand the concerns about traffic access and so on but I think those perceived worries are greater than the actual threat.

"The problems have been overcome at Withdean and there's no reason they shouldn't be overcome at Falmer. The club is prepared to work with the local people as it has through the liaison group at Withdean."

Mr Love, a training and development consultant who was once leader of Shepway District Council, said: "We are talking here about the only League team in Sussex.

"It's serious enough in terms of football alone but in addition you've got the Football in the Community scheme which needs to be extended in Lewes. There's a willingness and desire from the Albion to put even more effort into East Sussex.

"Norman Baker must speak for himself. He no doubt will have an answer to the girls' football clubs that wouldn't be able to survive without the Albion, the people with disabilities who wouldn't get the kind of coaching they've received and the children throughout his constituency who'd miss out on work experience programmes.

"If Lewes Football Club had another FA Cup run like they did a couple of years ago when they played Stoke, then they could play a match at Falmer. What a great place to have a local game. It's really good to have a professional football club close by but that's likely to be lost if Falmer falls through. We run the risk of losing out on a whole range of benefits the Albion provide.

"Making a statement like this is not going to endear me to everyone but there's a time to say something irrespective of how popular or not it's going to make me."

'Opportunism'
Mr Baker said: "This is an opportunist, last-minute intervention which is not driven by interest for the Albion but by political persuasion.

"I think people will see through the comments of a johnny-come-lately who only enters the frame when a decision is about to be made.

"It's a matter for the Deputy Prime Minister to judge the planning application."

Meanwhile, the South Downs' oldest conservation group has claimed Albion should not be allowed to put its case for Falmer stadium a second time.

The Society of Sussex Downsmen said there was nothing in new representations by the club that had not already been aired at last year's inquiry.

Graham Fuller, who chairs the society's Falmer working party, said it was wrong the club was being allowed extra time because it had failed to persuade a planning inspector to back the stadium.

Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott gave the club the chance to respond to a report by inspector Charles Hoile, who appeared to rule out building at Falmer after an inquiry into new Brighton and Hove City Council planning guidelines.

Mr Hoile said a provincial city's football club was not of national importance and the proposed site at Village Way North was too small for the planned stadium.

He said in his report there were a number of potential alternatives.
 


Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
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I voted for Rory Love last year because of his support for Falmer and to hurt the Lib Dem vote.
Baker did have a reduced minority but not enough to dent his pride.
 


An excellent letter.

Unfortunately, this bit is simply not the case, at least as far as some LDC councillors view things:-

Jim in the West said:
you will I’m sure be aware of the scandalous deeds of the previous owners, which resulted in the Goldstone Ground being sold
We still hear their version of the story being peddled:-

"Brighton and Hove Albion Football Club Ltd sold their ground. Why should we help them find another?"
 




Jim in the West

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Incidently, just thought I'd add that I've been a Lib Dem voter simply because in this part of Somerset it's LibDem or Tory - and the consituency I live in is very marginal - keeping the Tories out has been my primary concern. Sorry to bring politics into this!
 


33057 Seagull

New member
May 22, 2004
1,035
Over the border in Southwick
Excellant letter & an abridged version to the Argus I would say. I'm sure they would print this, but not in it's entirity.

I am afraid to say though that IMO the Tories are/would take the same view as the Lib Dems if they were running LDC.

At last years elections the Tories deselected a council candidate in Woodingdean because he was Pro Falmer, although ironically the the Tory Parliamentry candidate for Hove, I think it was Gold, carried an advert in the Argus proclaiming his support for the stadium.

Whilst middle (little) England would not dream of shifting allegiance from Tory/Lib Dem, it seem only the Labour Party is behind us - take a look at the three Brighton & Hove Labour MPs stance together with the posters in the Labour Party offices in Lewes.

Difficult if like me one could never bring oneself to vote for Blair but if anyone is thinking of standing for council it is easier to get elected if you are representing one of the three recognised main parties.

I speak as I am a member of the Liberal Democrats (seriously questioning this at the moment) & have stood for local council in Adur in the past.

Whilst this seems a bit of a contradiction, if living in Lewes I would not vote for them currently but if I did put myself up I guess it would certainly piss them off as I would take a definite pro Falmer campaign. But then I guess I would be prevented from putting myself forward.

So if anyone is thinking of seriously standing for LDC, you have to either live or have a business, or be empolyed in Lewes district & would have to stand as an Independent or speak with the Labour Party. Only problem is most people who stand on a one issue ticket will invariable get only 100 votes & lose their deposit.

So it's no wonder the system is the way it is. Would be happy to speak to anybody who is thinking of standing though.
 


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