Lets get a proper Pride indication ........

[Cian]

You can change tack all you want. You said that report was a thesis - its not; on sexual health and alcohol - its not; that it was by one research assistant - its not.

You were wrong, simple as. Think being wrong on all three things you mentioned comprises being a dunce, doesn't it?

You can say I didn't read the introduction (true - I read the introduction of Part 1 about three months ago when it was released), but its clear that thats about ALL you read. Quickly, at that.

 

[SeagullEd]

you've experienced what exactly? you're in school, you know nothing about the real world. how is it thought of as being a negative thing? surely only in the minds of people who are against homosexuality (muslims and homophobes?)

yes, gay kids will get bullied at school. yes, muslims get bullied at school. yes, fat kids get bullied. yes, ugly kids get bullied. it is not overused whatsoever, there is an extortionate amount of bullying amongst kids nowadays.

the gay people i know do not make a deal of it at all, see it as normal for them, and would never mince about, dress as a girl, announce it to the world, that they are gay. they are normal, rational human beings.

why would you be proud of being straight? you wouldnt know any other way. why would your heterosexuality be an issue? to whom could it be? gay extremists?

no one cares where you live or how many little pals you have. you would probably feel threatened as you are in school, so you would be terrorised. people in the real world can get along with their lives just fine, in most circumstances.

where did i deny that? i merely stated that there should be no special day to celebrate homosexuality.

Yet another pathetic attack.

I will tell you exactly how I know that homosexuality still has a long way to come to be accepted...

The media reflect and mould culture (undeniably) for instance papers begun reporting on a few celebrities, society was then celebrity obsessed and the press has adapted to fulfill this desire.

However, when a television advert depicted two men kissing there were instantly thousands of complaints and this was taken off air instantly.

When Will Young, after winning, came out as gay there were yet more thousands of complaints saying he cheated his way and decieved the public.

Something closer to our hearts - football. The fact there has only ever been 1 pro out gay footballer in England clearly shows the attitude of many.

Now, you don't seem to be denying that being gay must be very hard (well, that isn't your main argument)

From what you've say, you're main argument is that in this day and age there is no need to have a day about being proud to be gay.

I think you underestimate just how hard it must be, for a start. But gay pride, in my opinion, is not just about saying ' look at me' ; it's about raising the profile and making it known that being gay is not something to be ashamed of.

Do you not think this is still needed?

I'd say it most definitly is!

I really can't see how you can prove that it isn't needed anymore at all...

Can you explain in more depth exactly why it isn't needed!?

 

[SeagullEd]

Iam not homophobic although I am against Pride as it stands it used to be in 1998-2001 ish a celebration of Brighton & Hove enjoyed by all those who paid there council tax towards it .............now it is just a binfest of outragessness and a major inconvieniance to the city and us that CAN live within the city.

Why not just sit or lay down at home a celebrate being different .....oh no you don't want to be different do you so why advertise it.?

I used to think that.

But that isn't actually the point... it isn't actually saying ' we don't want to be different'.

At gay pride there were t-shirts saying ' Love is a human right' - this implies that the kind of love, and to whom, is irrelevant. That every different kind of love is okay (obviously within the law) and that people should be allowed to do this freely.

It's about celebrating differences and saying that homo or hetero sexuals should be equal - it's saying there should be no difference in terms of social standing but obviously there is a difference.

So it isn't actually about saying ' don't discriminate us, we don't want to be different' it is in fact saying ' yes, we are different and we're proud, but that isn't a reasonto discriminate'

 

[barney]

Yet another pathetic attack.

I will tell you exactly how I know that homosexuality still has a long way to come to be accepted...

The media reflect and mould culture (undeniably) for instance papers begun reporting on a few celebrities, society was then celebrity obsessed and the press has adapted to fulfill this desire.

However, when a television advert depicted two men kissing there were instantly thousands of complaints and this was taken off air instantly.

When Will Young, after winning, came out as gay there were yet more thousands of complaints saying he cheated his way and decieved the public.

Something closer to our hearts - football. The fact there has only ever been 1 pro out gay footballer in England clearly shows the attitude of many.

Now, you don't seem to be denying that being gay must be very hard (well, that isn't your main argument)

From what you've say, you're main argument is that in this day and age there is no need to have a day about being proud to be gay.

I think you underestimate just how hard it must be, for a start. But gay pride, in my opinion, is not just about saying ' look at me' ; it's about raising the profile and making it known that being gay is not something to be ashamed of.

Do you not think this is still needed?

I'd say it most definitly is!

I really can't see how you can prove that it isn't needed anymore at all...

Can you explain in more depth exactly why it isn't needed!?

what are you talking about?

but you are wrong on almost everything you state there.

and i dont know where you keep getting your "facts" from

i can not be bothered to debate this any longer, because no one can "prove" their side either way..

i just dont agree with gay people making a song and dance over it all, just get on with it, no one cares!!

enough now..

 

[chip]

You can change tack all you want. You said that report was a thesis - its not; on sexual health and alcohol - its not; that it was by one research assistant - its not.

You were wrong, simple as. Think being wrong on all three things you mentioned comprises being a dunce, doesn't it?

Either you are deliberately being stupid or just a stroppy fool.

I have not changed track at all. You are the one who has been misleading, not me.

I never said it was the first authors thesis, I merely said what her thesis was. I also never claimed that the report was about alcohol, did? I have quouted directly from the material you referenced, you have merely lied about its contents and verasity.

You are not only wrong, but a liar. Read what I wrote before and some of the report before trying to be a smartarse or make claims you cannot substantiate. What you have written above is not what I asid, but you seem to be quite good at deciding what people say without reading it first and then getting insulting

PS the quoute in my first post was from page 51 if you want to check.

 

[Cian]

never mind, don't have the time for this right now - I'm sure this thread will still be raging in about two days anyway...

 

[Nemesis]

Enough of all the handbags: Is it still raining?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Bigotted little England. I have clients who are gay. I have no problem with that each to their own. I take people as they are I don't give a shit if someone is gay. The most important thing is what people are like as human beings. that the ONLY thing that matters. If someone is gay does that make them evil , no, does it make them sick, no , does it make them bad people, not in my book. I am not gay but what right have I or the homophobes on here to tell people how to live their lives. Live and let live you Nazi's, you would have liked Hitler's Germany in the late 30's and early 40,s he had gay people gassed to death with the Jews.

I thought you were above this sort of shit hove b&b, take your biggoted little views and move to a differebt part of the country if you hate it so much and Agie and the other bigots I agree with some of the things you say but you are way off on this one. People are people as Depeche Mode said and if you can't accept that its your loss in embracing the human form in all its different ways.

 

[SeagullEd]

After re-reading I think I can see what you're trying to say, or what your issue might be.

I suppose it comes down to what you believe we can be proud of.

The obvious thing, that we're all proud of, is when we've achieved something - being gay is not an achievement, granted.

But what else are people proud of? Their parents, their kids, their relatives etc - the person who is proud hasn't achieved anything other then having relatives which isn't an achievement.

Some people are proud of their height, their build, their personality, their features eg eyes, and this is where being proud of being gay comes in.

I think being proud of being gay is just as relevant as being proud when Brighton win - it's something you don't have control over but something you enjoy and like.

When you keep your cool in a situation, for me if a teacher is being an idiot, perhaps for you if a boss is being an idiot, you are proud. But it's odd, because in many ways you haven't achieved anything - you're just proud of yourself, your personality and who you are (but you don't know it)

I don't think anyone is going to undersatdn what I'm trying to say here whatsoever, it's all come out jumbled and mixed...

 

[Paxton Dazo]

Gay Pride is a DISGRACE

 

[SNOOBS]

SeagullEd you've taken this thread far too seriously

 

[Deleted User X18H]

Bigotted little England. I have clients who are gay. I have no problem with that each to their own. I take people as they are I don't give a shit if someone is gay. The most important thing is what people are like as human beings. that the ONLY thing that matters. If someone is gay does that make them evil , no, does it make them sick, no , does it make them bad people, not in my book. I am not gay but what right have I or the homophobes on here to tell people how to live their lives. Live and let live you Nazi's, you would have liked Hitler's Germany in the late 30's and early 40,s he had gay people gassed to death with the Jews.

I thought you were above this sort of shit hove b&b, take your biggoted little views and move to a differebt part of the country if you hate it so much and Agie and the other bigots I agree with some of the things you say but you are way off on this one. People are people as Depeche Mode said and if you can't accept that its your loss in embracing the human form in all its different ways.

Why Gareth I was born in Brighton I have stated I am not homophobic just anti pride in its current format..................

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

You make all the noises of a bigot and homophobe your better than that imo.

 

[SeagullEd]

SeagullEd you've taken this thread far too seriously

Probably, but the actualy issue is extremely serious, tough it was presented in a light-hearted way.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

... hove b&b, take your biggoted little views and move to a differebt part of the country if you hate it so much

What pisses me off about HB&B's views on this topic is his argument that events like Pride are somehow spoiling his beloved Brighton.

That's not how I see it.

When I first came down to Brighton, I lived in what my landlord at the time rather euphemistically called "the theatrical part of town" - Kemp Town. What he meant was that the pubs, then as now, were populated by a mix of gay and straight folk. The main difference in those days was, however, that the gay men of the district were criminals.

I'm proud to say that things have changed. That is worth celebrating.

 

[barney]

Why Gareth I was born in Brighton I have stated I am not homophobic just anti pride in its current format..................

he is clearly just one of the sensitive types who gets offended when anything "PC" is questioned. then as soon as there is any form of disagreement, the term "racist" and "nazi" is branded around WILLY nilly.. self righteousness of the left and all that

 

[dougdeep]

Gay Pride is a DISGRACE

Piss off, as a troll you're rubbish.

 

[Paxton Dazo]

SeagullEd you've taken this thread far too seriously

He might take it up the rear, you never no.

If you do, you had No right to close down Preston Park station today, and nick all the sherbets.

 

[British Bulldog]

Don't fight it BB, we're nearly there. Just come on out and say it - you want to suck the purple love truncheon and none of you homophobic bluster can cover the fact.

You really are quite strange.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

he is clearly just one of the sensitive types who gets offended when anything "PC" is questioned. then as soon as there is any form of disagreement, the term "racist" and "nazi" is branded around WILLY nilly.. self righteousness of the left and all that

Mp a lot of the views come from Hitler's cleansing of disabled, homosexuals and jews. We have moved on since then at least I would like to think we have but maybe we have not.